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Episode #37 David Fox Talks Tangerine

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hosts Tom Johnson and Dan Hopwood spoke to former Manchester United, Norwich City, Plymouth Argle and Blackpool Midfielder David Fox.

Foxy made 94 appearances for the Pool and scored 6 goals helping us to the initial promotion into the Championship and securing our status there.

Fox was apart of the foundations that put together the Premiership promotion team in the 2009-10 season and was highlighted by Holloway as 'one of the players that got away' despite never playing for him. 

Welcome to the one two podcast by TPI, we had a great cumberin playerrelationship, an incredible it's. The Best Change in by Mile T. I've been inthe kind of things made, the team strong. It made the voman stronger,made kind of clay to the club. That kind of strange in a little bit moreenjoyable, a small believe Sally Group. It wasjust absolutely La Li, a tanous, a short reminder to let you all know thatour BS legend Mons and Alan Sale throw our utmost and also available on EBAtoo. This is going to help us race, some money, to improve our contentfurther and to go towards and running cast to the website. To this episode, Casarca with from fumes,the Naif came through a man united sand on the Simon Grason, two thousand andsix and helped it to the championship founds playing the Premier League forno rich he's now working, woe fill town as alone manager, and we spoke to him about his playing career as well as hiscurrent roll. A right are you doing? Thank youyourself, really good yeah. Thank you. Nice to to. I want to be to a wellrecently. He was the captain there one, so he fills a favor which was nice but yeah. How are you getting on allthis field? You've always been there a couple of years. I mean you now so oris it yet or that it's been a year properly, but I was it's been just kinded really in terms of it's been a year in locton really, soit's been difficult. There's not been a lot of things to be doing in terms oflike as many loans as you'd, like with what I do so with the level of football.That's been stopped, it's been difficult, but and getting to games hasbeen hard. You know getting into Games has been difficult both now it's beenthis been that this thing go as been interested. It's certainly diffirentanyway. Did you roll the moment? I tell managing long players. Isn't it so yourkeep an eye on all the lones and then just crito keeping out of players atthe same time as well yeah. So that's it really try and get lads out on loan tryn toget them to good clubs. Try and have a bit more understanding of the clubs aregoing to keep your eeon when they're there, and then I think you have tobabysitting, but just like keep in touch make sure they know that there'speople around and people interested in what they're doing and then yell andsee if I can spiny good players while I'm out about so it's reallyinteresting. I really like it. It's really good different there's been anyrestrictions in lock down for that life because of the mistico travel and stufflike a no. I don't know if it comes into football or not yeah, it's not!It's not been too bad. It's been more, it's been more than the fact that theleagues have been canceled, and you know from sort of National League,North and south, which we like to get players into that level, that's beenand then even when they were playing and no one knew what they were doing.No one knew from one week to the next whether theywere playing or not. So it's just it's just been difficult really from that aspect for yeah in terms oftraveling, you know getting about places, it's been all right, yeah,that's one well in terms today will obviously it just myself and down andwell to to go through your community from start. So obviously I know whenyou started eggs, see ye down and things a lot and move through unitedand then it's how a back Pol, obviously with keyfocus and then just such on a bit more on what you've been doing recently. Ithat's all right, of course, yeah. Definitely thank you. So yeah like Isaid that we started accent toten you, which is that, where you sort of froman way the local team and obviously Dan, have involvement there as well the NeYeah, that's right, so I I moved to Exeter when I was nine years old. I think my dad was afootballer like say and he transferred from Stoke to Exeter. So as a family,we all moved down and Ye. It was great. They were a local team, and so he washe played. He was a goal for them and then he became the manager so yeah I was never actually signed forexit. I was I just obviously when you did to the manager. You can kind ofskirt around a few things, so I just...

...played for them. I played for the on the Thir fourteen and then and theneventually eighteens and reserves, and AH I loved it. It was great, some really good coaches there and it'slike a beautiful part of the world. I really liked a lie like going up downthere and the club was really good and then my dad my dad left. He left hisjob as the manager so yeah. I was no longer attached to exite really andthat's when sort of within the next three or four months. That's when hemoved to manest, it happened which, which was great yeah. How did that movesome? An Jest? You Ni come about what was the sort of Interocean they'refunny funny? Really. The chief scout at Manini had a holiday home in Devon andhe was just walking his dog and watching a game, and I think I thinkyou ned me dad anywhere. I think when you're in football, I think everyonesort of knows everyone and I think he knew I did it. I think I'dbeen I've been around a few clubs before, but he watched me in a game when I wasdown there just just literally Sunday League playing with my mates and andthen I used to go up in the holidays. Half Termso and summer holidays that go up and sort ofthe bring all played in from all over the country have bloods from likeNewcastle and London Lads that you saw, we saw come up, meet an hotel and havea week to so there, and I did that probably half a dozen to a dozen timesover sort of from between fourteen and sixteen and and then eventually duringfull time and sixteen that that was a good thing about. That's why I waslooking really because I was able to do that without being signed and committedto Etoiles. I was able to go and see all the clubs, and that was probablyone obviously there's tons of advances of Avin, my dad in football, but thatwas certainly one of them I extant to hold on to then when, afteryou done last, they did yeah they wanted to. They offered me a contra.That was all really I it couldn't really do much else. He offered me ascholarship but be understood that I was going to go to Manana and I got alovely letter from like the head of academy just saying that the door isalways open and but totally understand that you want to go and do that andwish for all the best. And you know it was really nice. I've still got it soyea it was. It was the off of me, a scholarship like say, but yeah oncemany noted offered me something it was always going to give it a go yeah. Soall we were this state, like fourteen fifteen merit when in San Fid yea, so Iwas. I was sixteen right sixteen year, so just I was basically when I leftschool. I signed a contract for a three year.Scholarship moved, moved away from Exeter moved up to Manchester,obviously, with my dad, leaving as well, the family relocated up an also. Itmade sense for to do that as well. So yeah sign a scholarship at sixteen whenI left school and yeah that was it yeah. So that's quite a crucial point. Isuppos'N. I bet there was a lot of players who were younger than that hewould come through it united and then you're getting sixteen that's when theystart off in bills or or people docking out and stuff and it. So what was itlike for you coming into that environment and trying to sort ofestablish yourself in that outten a yeah? It was difficult because likelysay a lot of the lads were have been together for a while. There was a lotof lads that weren't that was still in the contract, but weren't offeredscholarship. So then, now it wasn't just myself, there was a few. We had alad from London. Calin Darren Fletcher was fromobviously lived in Scotland that he was another one that used to sort of comedown in the holidays and if it ended up signing a scholarship. My Year we had aGolier m scarborough, you know, so there was lads from it here there andeverywhere. Obviously they're mixed in with sort ofthat core group of Manchester Base Lad. So it was all right. We were, I didn't just rock up on the first dayand not really know. What's going on, I'd spend a bit time with a lad to getto know them a bit and Mane a lot easier and obviously, like I said,there's other lads traveling from for me there and everywhere. So we're allin the same boat M and did it you always playing that that sent Romanfield roll or you know so, then you don't with a gold. I do of a tryin putyou in the sticks. Now I won't. Let me go and goal: If mom mom will, let me goand go because she seen that the Golis...

...are always getting the blame, so shedidn't want me: eat O the blame. Just lame Dodalay used to get the alwaysplaying the keepers. So I going go. I was actually I was actually quite good.I was actually quite going gold, but I always sought. I played up front mainlywhen I was a kid just because that's what you do you want to squil goals andthen, as you as you get slower and people start getting faster, you sortof find a way moving backwards and e moved into midfield and yeah. That'sthat's where I stayed for the creed. I think I've got the. I think I've reallygot the energy in the pace to go anywhere else, so just stay in themiddle of the park and surround yourself with quick players. That wasit really. Twenty two were you on your left? So what was that like betweenSixteen and twenty? Two? At one point, if you think you're going to play foryou night and at what point did you sort of realize your chance wasn'treally going to come there and you a yeah, I think, there's always it alwayscomes up, but you're every single sixteen year old terms of thinkingthey're going to play for money, nited and right I mean when I'm going to getin the first team when I'm going to make all my millions and it just isn'tlike that, it's not you, you still do it and you working towards it and somepeople maybe get what a sniff like down fletch or prime example. My Year goesand as an unbelievable career there, three unformed a game for the club, andthat's very rare for that to happen, and you think that so you think you'regoing to do that and in the in the reality that you know thecold light a day. That's not going to you know. The percentage of thathappening is very slim, but what you need to do is try and get a career, andif it's not going to be many noted, you need to do the right thing to go and goelsewhere, and I think the six years I had there, I think, five and a halfyears at the shaped my sort of life, my career, my sort of the standards you need to set yourselfevery day and it was. It was amazing time because at that time, two thousand,you know you talking Peak Beckham, gene people all travel the season before Ijoined the Winnie. You know you were literallylooking at roking pulse gulls, prime back a going at all these UMBILIC VeranFan. These were like top top players. You you just can't help but learn fromthem. You can't help what take on what they do. Watch you're very fortunate.The way it was set up when I was there, you change you change rooms wereopposite, so you're, always interacting with these people. You were speaking tothem. You were, they always had time for you, you were Ferguson would bewalking around you speak. I know your name, you ask you, you know, you resultthe weekend how you getting on. You basically were part of this machine.That was just the pinnacle of football at that time, and all would be gratefulthat I was there at that time and learnt so much from so many people, andI believe that I had money to play till.I was thirty five because of what I saw from those players at that time and howthey did. Things is why I believe at a May sustain the game for so on, becausetheir standard every their attitude to train in every day, whether it be five aside on a Mondaymorning or you know, a cup final was it was just relentless. There was riddle,relentless people and people talk about it all the time. You know they talk about Roy keen andwhat was he like, and it was just a relentless machine and I we I lovedevery minute of it, and I think you add a couple of loan spells as well, whichis great, went out to Belgium for six months, which I grew up a lot withliving on my own abroad, and you have ups and downs and you havelads coming trying to get to above. You try and be better and he all of asudden, the next crop lower and winning youth cops and trying to get you. Sothe competition is fierce and it's all the Times canit constant every day, andI think it gets the point. Some of the lads were starting to get a little bitof a sniff in the Carling Corpo. There was a couple of games. I thought Imight have a little sniffer and maybe I could get on the bank for, and playersthat was playing in reserve team games...

...head off with playing instead of methat an you think you right lot's not going to happen and then, in the January two thousand and five I just went tosee the manager two thousand and six. I think it was in his office, said a lot about sixmonths left. Can we come to an agreement and like I'll, go out and try and find theclub, and it was brilliant. He said yeah whatever you need. As a focusing there, there was a major,a yeah when it's first is of is I think he appreciated that I was doing of me,but I didn't have an agent or anything, but then there was nothing like that.It was just me and him, and he just said yeah, let's go see, a sect will sortsomething out what clubs you want to go to. Let me know I'll help you, whatever you need anyRevelat, whatever you. I can do for you. Please, just let me know when he wasbrilliant and that was it then one that one day you're in training next day.That's it what he's driving out for the last time. So it was all bit surreal,but it was a. It was a part of my life. I was very grateful and very proud tohave been there at that. Time. Did differe part O that chanted y evergive you any advice that you still remembered frighty career. Alsoanything that helps it was it wasn't so much him in terms of advice. I think itwas more nothing, technical or anything like that. It was just more standards.It was more how he conducted what was expected toplay for many a nighted it was. You know I take a lot of things from Mickee.Many Mullen Stein Bramar. These are all the coaches result. They give me lotsof advice, but he was more just a he'd stand back and he just had he had thisorr about him. That was just you know. You would break yourself whenever yousaw it, because you thought I could be in trouble here and it calls you in hisoffice and you don't know why and it's nothing bad, but you he has his realpresence about him that he just yea. He just. He was amazing tobe a close and personal like that, but not not any sort of advice. I think itwas more. He set the standards and then the sort of technical stuff and andother things that that came from the coaches. Yes and Reno. He said that youobviously help it'll help to get a club and things go out. How much you thinkgive as involved with geting, to move to black pool. Do you have any more?But now so I don't, I don't think so much the black pool. I think thatplatform one was there. Obviously my dad was the gole coach at the time atLapo, so I a legal before then yeah, so he was already there, as as the Golecoach and literally Sam on Grayson had only just got thejob within the last couple of weeks and he was looking for players this. Hesigned a lot of players in that January and he was like lot. These chin a signplayers. He knows you to fancy coming in for a few days t, so we can have alook at you. So as I yeah bat myself, I was like yeah come in and I'll go on atrial and I weren't bothered and yeah see what he says and he like what yousaw and that's how it worked really, and I think he certainly got me in thedoor and and help from that from that aspect year, but it was, I think it wassort of there there to be had- and I was just looking at the time that thatSam had just got the job and that he was looking to bring players in,because we were struggling at the time m. How did you find that first, half theseason like joining the club and getting on with all the players to beEST fit right in? Was it quite seamless the transition yeah I fit in more fitin really well with the lads. I really enjoyed the lads at a car school withJones and bought, who are so much like a lot older than me at the time theywere nearing the end of their careers. Ter zoan L is that Lee Jones on aintone Butler right Y, a t e R. They were, they were older experience. ProJason Wilcox was their real old...

...experience opro and I was just in a carwith like Joe and that I loved that, because I was learning so much fromthem, and I was also I was lucky because of my time, Exeter I'd seen the otherside of football. I'd seen what Lower League football was like I'd seen. You know it's difficult for someplayers to leave money and it because you use to the best facilities the besttraining grounds, the best everything everything you want is there, and thenyou go to squires gay on a on a windy January and people can't handle it forI'd. Seen all this before, so a real advantage. where I knew and I loved it,I really enjoyed it because that's what I felt football was because I'd watchedme dad do it over. However many years I so I was looking at that six months wasgreat because I didn't play as much as there as a much I'd like as a littlebit in an out, but I don't think I was ready physically at the time we were struggling as well, whichwasn't great. We were rig near the bottom and we just scraped and scrappedour way to safety really, and I was lucky that I think I played seven oreight games if that that season. I think I scored, but it was real. Iopener, but it was always always one in the back of my mind whereI was like right. I'm going to have a really good pre season and I was justglad you stayed up and it was. It was real, really enjoyable for six monthsearly for me personally, I remember you sang at a similar time to Neil bood. Isthat right and he was alone from United Yeah. He would, I think, he's on himfrom Coventry, but he was the same. He was at united the same time as me as ayear older, so yeah, like you say there was myself woody markets being, andthen there was people like, I think, Keith Lasley signed on low. You couldsign loads of we just had loads of players coming in and out the door atthat time, just to stay up and yeah what it wouldwas signed at the same time as me, which obviously made it competitiveKeith was there as well and yeah. There was a lot of players for that. For thatmid field role really and yeah. I Wat. I found myself not in all the time hm, so you touch on you that I been thekeeper coach as well. Did you get any banner from the lads were see thatdynamic or a mob a like lot of going in every day we are dot as well yeah itwas, it was fine, it wasn't it's a bit difficult with it's a bit different,sorry with the Goldy coach, one because they're not really part O t they're,not really they're their own little unit and there their own click, and they do it all themselves.It's different. If he's the manager say or if he was, the first am coach andyou were with him every day and I never felt I never felt like any shadow or I never felt that isthis. We just got. We have just gone finer. I think the lads liked him andyeah it was it worked up. It worked out really well, you know I was living onme own in Manchester. So well, I were traveling in all the time and thingslike that and it was good it was. It was really good. You never got. He waslooking after the keepers, so you always give me a look sometimes maybeif I wasn't quite at it, but no it was good and then in the the next season, thenwe go to wars, this movie to Arsperg it. I remember I remember a distinct timethat you kept Keith out of Tam actually for ember. Rightly I own that sort of sent from the fieldrole for a bit. It's good at that season. I think I think I played aboutfor forty five games that season we went on because we played. I remember.We played a lot of Cook matches and obviously then you got the play offsand- and I played a lot, I did play a lot of games that season, so it wassort of myself key Klaus de as well still the time class was playing andclass would sometimes put on the ride, which was good, and I think I think tobe fair. I think we all play quite a lot of games. That year I was, you know,wasn't so much a rotation, but maybe I'd me and key for play for a bit andClaus and key for them and then and then you know me and class at times, ifKeith, you know, I kept everyone on the...

...toes really that competition for thatarea was was really good and, like say, classical play different positions, andsometimes you know I've come on. I think in the final, maybe or towards the end of the season. Maybe-and I come on and Class- we've got to the right and would see out games andthere was a real feminity between between us, but we all you know. We allgot our fair hair games that year and you know for me, I was playing. I wasin the team and I got injured with about eight nine games to go. I think-and I missed R COPAL and obviously the we'd want a couple. I missed a coupleand then we just went. We were on a run that you ain't getting back in the teamwhen lads are playing like that and that I still feel like a contribuastill got on. I got in a picture Wembley I got on in the play of Semisand I was always there and thereabouts and yeah a lot. I played a lot of gamesthat year. So there's no complaints from me. It was just it was a reallyenjoyable season and is great to be part of an arter club, aturned around from you know. When I joined that January, you know secondfrom Bottoming League one to go and get promoted at eighteen months later itwas so some going really yeah. It feels like you sort of ratevery time I could raise his game for most hit first, three years, obviouslyfrom a League, one top of League one championship you to raise your gamewith that as well, then you are now you wean from a bit part player in thefirst season, but then a regular in league one, and then you played the majority of games to thechampionship. Didn't you that first season as well, yeah yeah, the firstone yeah I did enjoyed it? It was you getting better players and your playingit on bat pictures which suited me and we just sort of everyone grew together.You know, if you look at look at the team that eventually went up again. Youknow you still have you had o. You are Keith the Werle, what you know at thetime so to they all grew and everyone sort of just got. You know you getbetter quality around you and it was yeah. It was. It was good I enjoyed. Ienjoyed the step up and enjoyed the challenges and then obviously then then then youstart, you know you start seeing who's going to be staying and part of it andyeah for the for those. First few years, like I said the first sport two and ahalf years or whatever I feel like, I play plenty of games and there's nocomplaints like that and there's some good players there and yeah. It was agreat time really enjoyable and yeah. I I enjoyed that part and then, after obviously getting thatfirst promotion with you of its sad to not be involved in the second. Iremember Halloween, saying you kind of regret. You was sad to see you go andregret it actually sort of shipping you off, I guess yeah. So it's funnyactually, because I never. I never actually spoke to Holloway. He was. Inever came across him. He when I was, I hadan option of another season, a black pool. I hadn't played much for the last sixmonths under Tony, which was fire, which was what it wasand I felt like I needed any challenge and I could see how things were going.I didn't think I was going to play. I probably wasn't playing very welleither, so I had an option of another seasonbut ran out. I think it was to I think everyone had an option, but then underthe Orsan, so I think it was. It was within the first two or three weeks tothe seat of the end of the season. If they wanted to sign me for another yearthan he could so, I'm sat by the phone and I'm waiting and what's going on,but they hadn't they didn't, have a manager. I think, if you remember rightly, Ithink Tony was offered it and then it wasn't and it was sort of dragged onand dragged on and and in that period I got offered a C. I met with PaulLambert down at Colchester, and I've been off for the contract there. So the time Al Elapse for me to stay on ablack pool, and I not heard anything from the club, so I signed a colchesterand that that was it really. As far as I was concerned, everyone was happy andeveryone was moving on and, and that...

...was great and it wasn't till. I thinkit was a few months later. Maybe that I think I think someone I remember, Iremember seeing an article that he'd written about or he'd said that I thinkit was to do maybe to do with options where you know they need to look afterthings a bit better and make sure players don't leave. Like I did becauseI think I'd have done well, undering would have played every week and gotpromoted it. Don't think so, because the way the inert, the lads in therewere top top players, but I feel like I probably could have contributedsomething, but a lot of our careers talk different paths and weboth ended up at that level, which was great, really yeah there. There wasn't part of methat was sad. I missed out with it really because I've moved on, and that was fine and Icould see things, and I was really pleased for the lads because they were all top top lads and the teamhad a really shifted from the one ours with d. You know, there's still that real core group of players that I've been withthe season before and for seasons before that as well. So there wasn't apart of me that was upset or sad. I was really pleased to the boys. I rememberI met. I met Vo, probably probably the three laterally three or four daysbefore the final. He was obviously Xi nerve and allthings like that- and there was a part of me that didn't want to be part of it.I didn't get to the final but listen to on the radio so yeah it was. I was really pleasedfor the for the lads really it was. It was amazing and it was great to watchand then I obviously enjoyed watching from a far do you. Of course you wish.I wish it was me, but I knew I knew I wan't have been in that team I havemade. Maybe you know, maybe maybe with the way he played a mat suit them a bitbetter, but we'll never know when. Ultimately, luckily enough for me, I managed to get my chance elsewhere.Bolt was great again the best half players. So, like lots of players likeI said you and League one, we came on again and again, and even the RamierLeague, like me and John O, spoke about before where we said they didn't lookout of place. It wasn't like we were getting battered if they were they wereat that moment they were pram players and they were were showing it. Sothere's no reason why I happetite speaking you couldn't have been gone tothose levels as well. In my opinion, yeah, I think you're always going to syou're, always going to think that, because of of where the lads had come from- andyou see what they're doing anything I could have been me and all that andit's it easy to say that. But I think it was a lot. It's a lot more difficult.The lads done unbelievable than like you say they. They were fully part ofthe premier, Lea they enhanced it. They put in some top performances, and inwas the was a real shame. If you know we all know they shouldn't have gonedown in terms of the amount of points the guy, and it was a freak, a freakseason from that aspect and yeah it was a tough one to take to see them go downbar the lads were great and I think what speaking to them, what he did allthe way was he changed the mindst and- and you know when people thinkdifferently and when people think that they can do things, it's amazing whatyou can achieve and that's what the boys did would have been. Obviously the threemumber fields it changed to in it from two men- and I suppose you you KeetonClaus- is that formation coming a couple years before as well. Youprobably Ave, really good ben- fell with a Falu in that as well when you,but it changes that, but you know for Varney, Charlie Ki, well that they wereall there. When I was there so t you know they were. There were top players,they they are the real and then the way you know the way all the way got themthe chemistry that they had in the interchange. In you know, obviously mydad was still there, so I was still speaking to whom- and he was not sayingyou know but he'd say about Holloway and how he'd work and he said we'll goup months before they did, because she said teams can't cope with the what todo when they're, interchanging and yeah it was. It was good. It was great tosee him yea delight he did what he did well. The next best thing for yourselfwas obviously going and doing that yourself with no rich. Wasn't it. Youwent through Colchester and League...

...woman, then obviously no Ich sanded itthe and you got to the Premier League a couple o years after that as well yeah,that's it so I went so that that's so I joined Colchester and for now, when Igot massive respectful in terms of what he's done with his playing career, I was blown away when I went to meethim. I thought it was I'd have been great for me playing the similar sortposition and then we beat no rich seven one on the first game, the season, quite a famous game, foot down a part,wolden yeah, and he left it. He left a weeklater, so it kind O, kill me really and I ate booth hood came in and I wasn'treally as cup of tea, not big enough, not strong enough. Don't kick it farenough. This is being a number twenty one mijorany other moment. I think I think he's got he's very good he's a very good co,vegal manager. I think he just got into that league ontype stereotype. I think he can play he's a very good coach and and in acolchester and luckily enough Paul lamberts like what he saw and talk meto an Orchan yeah. Like say, I went probably probably the same sort ofthing as what the Black Pool hads experienced in terms of we just come upfrom league one weren't really expected to you know:survivals, probably what was expected, but it's amazing. What happens when youget a bit of like say e changed the belief you expected us to go what youget a viameter like, like the black pool boys did and and yeah luckily likefor me, I felt that same sort of Baz and the same feeling that the lad did you were there with wes it. No sor yewas that as having a familiar facer yeah. That was great. That because seeyeah, it was brilliant. What Guy Yeah he so yeah he's nicest and haltyas well hold. She was there who come to Blackpool for three WIS Healthy Elsa. Afew sits nice to see hol in wheres, both from the black pool days, but yeahwess a little genius. He was. He was top player great to play with he played left wing when we were ablack polled any and he just used to go roaming and dribbling, and then nor actually played sort of beanerie isin a diamond and he just had that license again and yeah what play a whatguy and yeah. I add some really good years. You were probably that year wegot promoted a black pool and the year got promoted it nor rich, you know,played a lot of games and the rule with him and he made he made my job a loteasier. So yeah, I got a lot a lot of time. A lot of love for was he was. Hewas brilliant. Nine for black poll book for Norrich as well, it would say, isyour best sort of pals on an baple I yea, so fortunately a lot of the lads you knowit's I think social media is great is got asoff Nagano positives as well and you you know you can keep track of peopleand you get to see. Without being you know, picking up the phone every day. Iknow what all the lads are up to, and you know what thing I speak to spoke toa Sham Barker. The other day he's a burden coaching and what hoodes fieldwith the lone players we've got a lad, O Lone Bolton with Evo. So s to ever alot also with his coaching Ben Verges teaching and on the radio. I did the radio for Plymouth the otherday at Blackpool and saw Mike Jackson. You I've not seen for a while. He justyou just catch you just catch up and yeah. I think that it's good withouthaving to you know, I won't say I a a ring lands all, but you know what'sgoing on, you know you message Keith Message: Kik about a game the other day.Can we organize a game together and sort of pick up where you left off andyeah? It was great. I think there was a real, close knitgroup of lads. I think whenever you get promoted whenever it was success, yousort of bound by things when that happens and the Forbesi is another one.Top Ma lived in Norwich when I was down...

...there, so he then a lot of time of forsand yeah. This load US bumped into cranes. The other day is at fleet wood,so t all the lads are everywhere really can't help, but not to bump into theboy. So it's nice just looking at some of the late agree, then. Obviously,after the time at now rich, you had a few different clubs in you in theLeague, one league to culture, to bake cultures to obviously banale and thencrew and limit as well. What sounds out for me a time there and you can Haif, Ilove Matama Plymouth, so the last three years my career, I play, I playednearly a hundred and fifty games. In three years I played every week I was Iwas catching some weeks and I loved it. I really enjoy playing for the club,big, really big cloth. I think once I was a cold chester, thesecond time crew. I think I lost a bit of love for the game, sort of struggling with some aspects ofit and then, when I went to Plymouth it sort just re energized me and you knowwe're getting twelve thirty thousand fans at home and you take thousandsaway from home. They have a real big. You know you've probably seen itselfwhenever we play Plymouth at Blackpool and the fans were in. They always talkabout followings and I just really enjoy my three years there. I thoughtit was. You know great, and I wish I'd a stayed longer bought my family roomManchester and it was a long long time away and commuting. It just got a bittoo much in the end, but I'd love to have stayed a bit longer boat, yeahthat that time there I didn't really enjoyed it. Just when you corrent rollnow than just you think I aren't going into coaching as well. Is thatsomething where you want to go in, or you quite happy in the in the roller innow yeah? I do enjoy this role. I think, if you have said you know a few yearsago I be like Yeah coaching, but I don't. I don't I'm not too short aminute. I think what what I do now, I'm really lucky, because it gives me sortof an insight into all the different roles and departments, and you know Ido some recruitment, so I really enjoy that. I work closer with the coaches in termsof where they see the players are so and I'm in the conversations I'm in themeetings and I get to see what the coaches have to do and the stresses ofcoaching and the stresses of recruiting players and I've got I've been looking so I'll getto get to see it all really so e. where this do, I see myself doing this for the next twenty five years? Probablynot, I don't think it's that type of job. I think it's one where I'mlucky I get to see and who knows that I do quite like what the coaches do. I doquite like how they you know being on the grass and things like that. I domiss that part of it and also I enjoy going to games and watching games, andI feel like I can spot a player or you know, have an idea of what it takes fora play to be successful. So Yeah Lot, I'm quite new into the after footballworld as the real world. So you see see what happens. I I'm trying enjoying itthe minute. Well, the top top job. Would you fun to be going intomanagement? No, probably not management, far enoughsystem straight now, probably put probably because, like I want I have toyou know when I look at von He's- got a deal with people at me. All the timeand e h probably couldn't be do when I'm Texina him all the time and what?Why is he not playing and any play for alls, and all these can'tbe doing with that as a manager is too much on his play port ye? No, I didquit to the coach in side of it and maybe manage maybe managing otherpeople, not managing players. Yeah I did out of the roll come up. We Ale tofell them as it's something you were looking at you applying for those sortsof jobs, or did you find it? It was the Lele Bromby was the head ofAcademy puddered I've known him for for manymany years, and I wasn't doing anything at the time and he just said look youwant to come in and help with the lone players. There's nothing. You know...

...e's No job. There it's just somethingwe'd like to do is a club, but look, can you come in and do you want to havea look at it see what it's about and they didn't have anyone doing it. Sothere was no sort of role to take on. It was sort of that freedom to just tryand get on with it, and I did it for six months sort of off my own back,really just to to see how it was, and I think that they were like a lot issomething we want to do so. Do you want to you want to do it, and so I was likeyeah absolutely and that's the sort of where it came from and then sort ofhaving started full time lot. You know the corona virus it two weeks later andI was sat at home thinking O, but the l this is it, isn't it yeah? It's been a strange start, butit's really good and there's some good people there and some good youngplayers and you try and do your best for them really and you watching themat the start, and you try. What what I get to do is I get to speak to the lads,a lot and and sort of understand what they're going through as up ing formyself. I've been alone at nineteen years old and not played so I know whatthe feeling I've been alone and played of you know been dropped and I've been left outsquads and I've done it all. And hopefully I can pass on a few of what Iknow to to some of the younger boys and help them out there, which in Odo it's interesting on it,because back in the day, Weise to you used to go alone and do people use totrack. What you were doing was like a yeah. I went on to, like I said earlierto Antwerp in Belgium, yeah six months and so two weeks before our due to comeback about phone call asking how it was and how much of I played- and I likewell not played at all- and that was it really all right. Okay, well I'll seein a few weeks, and then that was it thinks the thin. Things have changednow, because people realize the importance of it at people realizethere's value in it, and you know it's not just to get people out of thebuilding. It's can you build value in players? Can you build expeerience forfor next season? And you know all there's lots of things? That's real! Ithink it's especially the bigger clubs. You know they have that bigger squadsthese days, some of the massive clubs that you know you look at Brighton andShell season seems like that. They've got their own squads that they just goout and lone, and sometimes you know you need to keep theon these players to see to see how they getting on. I I'll be ready for yourfirst team yet M, and did you see I just fill and black pool? Yesterday yougo to that game, or you know that yeah yeah. I was at that game, yet I gosthat we o good good good for us. Second Alf was good. We are better. Second,half, I think black pool we younger second half as well ses a bit moredegai was watching from the other side. So I didn't get to see mirth becauseaft, I think, there's a manager there now any yeah, big John. So but now it'sgood e played black pool before and I got to get to see the players and I saw got ye so of crane. We have playedfleet with the other week so so craney and Simon wiles was there yea e e E. Iwas at a trial. The big trial matches the other day and Karen Donelly wasthere from from the Academy of Blackpool, he's doing great thingsthere as well he's running that now it was great. It was there when I wasthere. Obviously so yeah you bump it into people all the time. It's niceabstain, volved, really because you get to catch up with, like I said, but intoJack O doing the radio. So it's great to to still be involved in the game.You get you get to meet lads that you've come across before and you sortof pick up where you left off and it's so that's a good part of the rolereally yeah stuff go players at Pol the a the andobviously the flying army this year yeah. I were really sobs watched the Plymouth game and theywere great thing, but you know since then before then, and since then, I'vepicked up and it's great the real the players Blackpool and be interesting.How the finish the season, of course, we in with a real good show yeah justwondering if I, the squads a little bit because of the injuries were a littlebit tin options on the bench plays say:...

We've got some good young players, sothey just to debate in the Mong whether we should be playing some of them or nois obviously crety being from a youth background himself, O the best place toplayers there good enough for and ready when they so trying to work out wellhow we get through these next few games, really yeah, there's been s in so manyanything real, condensed and yeah. I think there is the shooting for them to be in and around it, so that ud beinteresting. It'd be good to be got to watch, but yeah. They have. I watchedthe the last game back, I think yeah they played Lincoln, played lincomeLincoln Yeah. I inkily good bates yea. She we see, sent sentymints batter them absolutely,but yeah yeah, I formance is a fort and the dilling game off Saturday as well pay. Well, eight Ye is Gane goals whichhelps and pretty stole at the back keepers. Good,so that Ud, be God, be good. You got some good play that wight. Yeah EET, be interesting. It's Nice!It's good, though it's good to see it's good to see because it's been it's beentough last few years and you know I came back played plymouth, am I playeda crew and it was just wasn't the same. You know, especially the crew. I thinkthe crew time I play for crew. It was my first time back at Bloomfield road.I think, and it was just it was. It was just daddy. It was at the time wherethe fans weren't going and it was like a thousand there may be, and everyonewas boycott in it, which was, which is what it was, but it seems to be now.Obviously, before the lock down it seemed to be that spirit and that thatbuzz around the ground and that because it you know it was different sort ofthat when I m first there, because you know we on have two stands over thereand I was round- and it was such a good atmosphere that we could create andobviously on the Premier League. It was the same but with the biggest scale andwhat the club can do now that everyone's sort of pulling in the rightdirection- and you know they can- you- can go as far as they want again reallyso it's great to see that the sort of back back on the awkward curve again soit's nice yeah. I say I think you look after theresults, and I am you know I nevile shape, but I really enjoy my time thereand I do have a real soft spot and, like you know, I do always look out forthem and Ole do well. So yes, that's good to it, because I think we'reinsane bout. Obviously we had, we couldn't go to the ground for fiveyears and then we have walked down and still can't go now, so everyone justsits in kitchen to get back and if that's in the championship, if you cansomehow get up this year, it's be amazing. Like you say, I want to get ina full ground again, but yeah some other way. Could you can't wait to getback in an feel old, really yeah? Like I say it's been, it's been. It's been alot. It feels like a longer time than most for black fall fans done it so yeahs a lot. It's a lot of years. Ithink yeah, Oh yeah, ches are coming on. Ireally appreciate chatting to, and it's been that to toute have really enjoyedit. Thanks, lad was nice to Rome next year, but all the best will is fil townor Epitha you're getting off to as well get more involved with fan reaction,cool news and tire competitions. They sure that you sin to our forage alsofor social media pages on twitter face book. I.

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