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Episode #39 How not to run a Football Club with Nathan Fogg

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Dan Hopwood and Tom Johnson spoke with Author Nathan Fogg on his new upcoming book 'How not to run a Football Club'.

Foggy gives us a low down on his book (released in September) which documents the rise and fall of Blackpool F.C under the previous regime and has interesting stories from Ian Holloway, Jose Riga, Valeri Belekon and unfortunately Karl Oyston.

A must listen for any Blackpool fan or football fans suffering from owners who don't put #footballfirst. As many of our other podcasts, this also features explicit language and adult themes are briefly discussed when factoring in Owen Oystons' previous conviction. 

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This episode Cos interviews with Oyster,blary, Riga and Holloway Holion, an e stand, a answer, an traveeyeah, no problems, a a GA, all right, good yeah and I'm in Quaranti it now becauseof a lot Bateato being panted, I'm just riding and finish in a book. I got aMON latch. Well last I on now, so I just describin reason to be quarantined. Ithink that's right thou and it obviously going to see uncle val so illgood on you yeah. It was yeah. It was good and I mean it's kind of a ten MIAs.I needed to get down right, and so it's yeah. How long have you been writingThorn Nathan? Well, I've been right in since NovemberDecember. This book I actually started in thousand and fifteen and started writing it. I was just finishing unite time, so Iwasn't very good, so I I I kind of like just gave up the idea and my fond asell being sued, so it was a little bit a little bit risk es. But as so, I Iscabbed the idea and then came back to it last year and it's just justprogressed ever since yeah yeah. There's a lot easier to talk about nowthan I think in to hoad and fifteen everything is still a bit raw. Where isnow Eooa in the championship, everyone can sort of rest easy a little bit andthe Balis won a lot better. Seloy and people are willing to talk. You know Imean I don't even know I was into iis good, because when I, when I startedright in two tousand and fifteen, I was able to do some research and in P, so Ihave a lot of stuff from the time which is really helps, but in terms of likeinterview, managers and players- and you know the astons themselves Belica,none of them want to talk back Frado being able to the kind of rich respectto lot lot. That kind of thing, because it's made a lot better yeah, but that'sa fantastic as well, because you've got the roar. An Ocean. You've got exactlyhow you are feeling at that time rob exactly. It's not a last yeah, it's notlast in the because you don't want to get to so I detached from it just because oflooking back to I'm trying to maybe get a little objective it because you stillwant to give a a being a fan. You know I was doots was a moderator on back in MeStreet when we got see by the Austin so now stalking part a lot O as a legalcase so like knowing that I motion being a part of it at the time andhaving Sol knows from tares really important to. I think well yeah great well in terms of today,honestly, if we go through just a bit about yourself and Orm, you've beensupporting black pulling your background really and then, if we justtouch on a bit about your book as well- and I we just follow through sort ofchronologically so a little bit about the ocians, obviously taking over.Obviously the infamous owner in ten season, a little bit on Bison recenttrip to at Vere as well yeah and then what the future holds when the bookcomes out as well. That's all right, yes, I'm starting from the top. If youwant to just give a bit about you who you are who's Nathan Falk, who, howlong O im are bought in Blackpool and yeah, your story really yeah. So so Igot in a perfect time really, because my first memory was probably a BalatinAringay Millon instead, and so I was kind of a dissenta from that. I think Iwas going on about year when we're in division, Frever Carl. I remember itand I actually had a thou to of me. Men is on its probably six years old,upstate in card if somewhere, so I'm trying to get at in the Bock in in thepitch of that I used to sit ESAF stand is just so of when I was really youngobviously was all stand and I used to get on that sort of brick wall front.Whether advertising boards would hang over. I could kind of get like half aleg in to the top of all and the advertising bottel and get tired. Iused to watch it and yeah. I just been a fine ever since so you know just in the season take all O my dad.You know home in a way I went to uni to do journalism. That's when I startedreally getting involved with you know. I did a couple of FANSIES A in a fansye C l, O D, eight hundred and it seven e Le Morte from six stars who did thealternative shirt. We did one of our big Monday, which is really cool to dowanted to come to do it, but you know I started by Cotin and protesting. Youknow, as I was living in leads at a e...

...time, so I think with a lot of people,just kind of I sort of fell out of following it is intensely as as I waswhenever I was kind of kicking off and yeah I, as I said early, I was amoderate, I'm back in the street and we got sued, so I was being man I y usinghim foggy from up from that bud, and I was up in part out because I wasstudying media a lot at the time. As with my university cast, so I was justgetting in learning about libel deformation and just trying to help allout as much as possible, and obviously we ended a winning that case, so youknow, got thrown out an you know: Color Win, so yeah I've been involved it a nofrom a star really yeah, but they've got that legal sort of background, aswell as you were theory behind the badness really. So it's obviouslysending good step for this book yeah, and I think it told me a lot about whatthe icons were doing, because I knew so much of it was just Olsha. I mean Iknow a couple of the cases you know may be at a bit more of it led to stand upknowing you know like a lible lot as much as a bit, and I really really justthat bent so much time. Learning that union research and just have a specificarea Eline. I recognized immediately that the law suits were bringingagainst Paul, which just absolutely just nonsense. I really gave me, Ithink, a deep appreciation for the sort of spite to the people that were there.You know in charge of a club at the time and just what they were trying todo. I do you think you're interest in black philosophy and obviously thatwhat we've gone through my then and twenty five years you that lead you tothe root you went down in terms of the course you chose and you're interestedin sort of following the proceedings there or you too well just cae yeah. Imean I always actually wanted to do more, like political journalism, and Iwasn't really the bat first for the sport journalism so obviously withbackplate of it is for Partic of the club and be up dehine scenes UATION,and you know just for all the craziness. I was happening so if it was just astory about how but bill that promoted to the premiere from Lonlay, fromdivision, free and and when all way back down, which is a pretty you knowinsane story in a of itself. I wouldn't be right in this book. I think it's fora combination of that and with you know, everything as happening,which really interested me is now watching a bro, the the boy cut on usas like a union strike or something it's kind of like reporting on a Laborstrike, but yeah I mean Ma. My Dad was my dad did cook call for a couple ofyears in the mid Nortis. It was, I don't know if you remember any of it,but back before smart fons, a live bogs and stuff used to be able to call up anumber on it, and it be my dad and my friends say I oh black poll to on uplast fifteen minutes. You know hears the highlight, so I sat in the pressarea for a couple O years. I think that gave me you know it's pretty cool,since my dad went down to the tunnels- and you know I was there in to me in mymander and stuff. He he's never done spotson in his life. I would just doingit for for fair friend really so, but give me a little bit of I don't knowinside or yeah I don't know Wetah in for it. I think it was more it movinbehind e seen stuff. I interested me yea in terms of Mat Scrafton saidsimilar when you came on our podcast few months ago. We mentioned that theone of the things that attracted into black pool wasn't just a football Sidi,so it's a little bit bore in just so forting on games and signings, andthings like that. Ah, what interested him was the investigative journalismside and all sort of what was going on behind the scenes, so fortunately foralls, that's all behind us now, but yeah, it's interesting the days nice toget back to boring, but more for a bit. I so obviously you bury gree involved ina lot of on goings. Just from what you were saying, then my did you suddenly think I've got aright that I got a right. A book on this. I've got to get it all down, yeah!Well, he started, I think, with me and a guy called Jaron Muleton set, who iswith an ough American and re game guy out of Wisconsin. He came to an ideathat he wanted to do just a timeline of events, because especially in aboutfourteen fifteen season, you know when Roree took charge. I think after MatWilliams left to me have Chris half is the club secretary and everything wasjust fallen apart. It was as if the club we all use stuff was happening badstuff with the clubbes, but suddenly it felt like you know they couldn't evenoperate that day today, vase, it's the just crazy stores happen every dayevery week. So I start doing a time line event. I call that the time mightof shamed with Marty, so I took a lot of work as we we just catoganeverything and everything source it o the Arcole. Everything you know isreally detailed, and I thought you know I'm just going to write. I should beprobably right about this in a bull form. So that's what I started her. I think someone have to do. It is great.Someone has done it obviously itself, so I'm sure I'll go real up down reallywell with their fans once it's complete as well yeah. I know a lot of people. Iknow I'm laste book, I I you know, I'm hoping it's be comprehensive. You knowVV bok, to read the definitive book of that period and I know a lot of fans ofmyself wanted to read it. So you know one wanted to see this story of it andI think, coming you know. Hopefully, people thinking now coming from a blackball fan o a a right a bit, but it's you know it's kind of perfect for it,because I think if we, you know what I would always get so restated when Iwould hear- and I euston being into feed or maybe a Lankashire or awesomenational and know looking off and they...

...just sort of parachute someone intoattendant into view, and we had no idea what was going on in it as e softballquest. It was self Australian because we finally had this like media lineright. I D just be wasted and did be like it. Oi was like you regret, takingour money out of the club. Somehow. What kind of question is that in thatso yeah? It's? How difficult is it been for your family? You know, so I was sodisappointed whenever it was reported on by other people. So I think itcoming from a but cool fan. I think, gives it a bunch more. It's a mot, thebest story yeah and what what process has gone through some part, an tell youSORTA, I two thousand and fifteen, but more recently when you picked that backup what so prostate gone to Ye, what still to be done in the next month. So I think most of it is done so itkind of goes. KNOLICH START I've. You know I've been red te Looky, but I'vebeen to views. You know car, listen! I interviewed x managers in Holleye, youknow Steve Tomes and a few of ex players, but I'm still helping to do aswell. You know obviously went a lot of it, so it's really an you know, all thefans I I've been so that's kind of a going to be nor as well. So I didn'treally look about. I think I've got a really comprehensive overdue and almosteveryone I wanted to speak to is gone record and stop to me, which I didn'tthink was going to happen at the start it. So I think it really just to give you an other view of abucket starts just with a brief history of the icons of black pool. You knowwe've a en taken over an next seven. You know he attempts to get promotedwhen he was thrown at the club. A little bit, menant's been him going tojail, obviously raking sixteen year old, which is well known and then bickytaking over Cartiane raft. The map gives that sort of brief history andthen then we kick off a real book at a with the ornees and going really indeath with everyone. That's spoken to about that and the promotion of aPrimer League- and I just follows on chronological from a right and pits upthe sale of a club really and obviously lot is happy conclusion right now. Doyou touch on the o seven season as well, and not really? No just briefly in thein that sort of history of you, but now that's that could probably is a wholelittle bit. Couldn't it but yeah now, just briefly touching them out. Youknow and how I think with Bellacic in you know, Balam is a huge fan of SimonGrace and so there's a couple of stories about that and one of the stars.I'm not sure if he's going to go in the book, but they actually call told me-and I don't like this- is called just taking shit but the apprenti nearly satsign and when we started off really slowing that season. I was six or seven.We started off quite slow and obviously had about great runs towards the N,which was got into the payoff, but it was like a board meeting or aninformal board meeting and people wanted sign in a girl but Carter thathe stuck up for him and said you know I fee guys, he's my man to be fair. Hemight be to cause call it AV. Some look with you know it did pick a few goodmanagers masses here, but some bad ones so ere's a there's, a little brief topchummy or seven season, but not nothing to nothing. To e detailed. When wasthis interview with car? Was it prior or after the motion a Supremer like the interview? I do. I we've car yeah I've taken to call this year, like wejust writing for the box. So I E as a couple months. I've been a fool. Acouple interviews. I I thought Laothoe yeah now is still around yeah. I tellhim for about three hours in my first men tovie and then and then did anoterone of them as well. Yes, I don't know, I don't know what he's doing, but his you know is out there, oh and still atthe club, as well as near and round the club, I don't think they've a been ableto get rid of family still in the pen houses in it, so yeah trying to get intouch with them. We'll have to talk on that, and so what was what was it like?A what I sort of did you find of what is current stances in terms of, if hisI'm sure black poll fins a king to hear that he's suffering badly and he'sreally down in the dumps of the moment? But how is he asking now? I didn't askhim what he was doing now. I just Tacitean what was happening. I I mean.I know Ye want be careful put so here,but I know I think it's out there that he was obviously taking the well is outher public bays, taking the club to Colt for an fire DIS missile yeah. Ithink he be you don't have to read too much Portengale to say. Well, nothinghappened with that. So obviously some one is exchanged tante unless you justcompletely lost his case, which I everything happens. So that's notsomebody's told me or anything, that's not something. I know on record you no,I think, be clear to see that he probably got a bit of the payoff andhe's probably happy about our retirement some setabout. But when I, when I told to him he was quite his no is not isis. Ithink a lot of people say it's quite charming to speak to when you firstmeet him. I think he, you know he's quite a diplomatic. Youknow spoke highly of Ilaria, and now the managers is to well no one justthis blasting Jos, a red, but he still very highly being ollerway. He had isthat which- and I never realized a Colin- no in just stay at each other,three, the entire time or it's just miserable- between em, apparently justoh inong A to take over his chairman, but he was in prison, so they keepputting. Then I think Carson would think of him as blast person to put incharge- and I think car us thought is that as a a fool paying money into aBanyoro ects and yeah HEU had some...

...awesome words about. Is that andefinitely not talk any more? So that's, I think, that's the sort of short andfry from Wat fancy and no beatons fall out and see into it a weird on mebecause I have, I know, there's always rumors that they didn't get on andthere's all these rumors that they were arguing in the corridors of the fermentsaying you know, you're going to run it your ground and all that sort of stuff,but obviously the Geno, a million pound pay out in the Semilenu, as well as hiswhen they obviously work together. NEC Yeah I mean you've got to be careful atit and interview him and he's kind of trying to pass the way on to Oinoe timeand he's trying to pretend that he's like just following out this type ofthing. But I know that's not true. You know, because I asked him about that.You know suing fans and Meae told it it was like. Well, no, it wasn't my idea,I told no in not to do it and but then I said think it told me I told them itnot to do it, but if we started it, I wasn't going to start so I enough nowyou ask that you're saying it wasn't your idea. But when you talk to fanswho o be ensued, you know cars ringing, then laughing down the thor and likeenjoying it like no, it's kind of hard to hard to imagine that a drove. So Iactually really careful about he talk to your game and you know it can bequite nice for a form, but you also got to be careful. What what is trying tospend your yarn about, because it's kind of, but I would have about nothing.You know nothing sticks to him when you're trying to pin him down Yeah Owenwas the fan. Wasn't that he was a war ban call. Was the business Yahkardoesn't like garlic a line? Well Yeah. It only been on to three games beforesomething to some limeport games. Actually, for taking off a bat pool, ittook over a thing because they, David Hafon wit, was final by the club. Youknow O in had promised this Super Stadium, which hadn't which had fallenthrough. I think there was some land at window going by macalpines and O inhand of been old to negotiate an agreement with him and David. He fanquicame in saying well, listen, barble fans I can bar I, and I can do it, EiStadium and cars and came in vents a star put put an into that are new in itputting into it got to see if it was a real deal, because I don't think carthinks he is really think, is kind of bite short and so that's kind of how hegot involved and stuck on ever since, before we move on to like talking aboutthings like Callin holloways sort of relationship, because the OCON's allday, just ballery, why did he you mention why my loring involved? Whythey were the was so the story the well well? He came in primarily to primarilyto foes, be so yea, Emil's, brewery and love you. So I came into England, TinaSallys, Bo n in football stadiums, and you know me, Jo kids is such a badsales. When you ended up buying part Botle, then we did be going to put hisbar. I don't think it was any partner. Icame to England expectin to to buy a part of the football club he just metwith all in Odin Company, quite charming as well. When people meet himas well- and I don't know if he qualee thinking ofsomeone get in troduced by Bat poleman. It's not you know it's not like it'scoming to a London football club and you know obvious litson climate, but Ithink I think you did. You know, fall for the town and look up a little bitand you know the something something about is M. I so it just is probably not a lot of money for him.Is You know it's got a lot of money in the bank cause what one point eightmillion of the start over a period of a year. You know the negotiations juststart happening and you kind of they just kind of kicked off. It it wasn't aplan thing, it just happened after me. You know in a for the road, so one ofthe good things O en did the club is bring Bell area on yeah and obviously that kick startedthe progression of the leagues in it. I don't think with it. In aboutinvestment, I think we have always been in League one personally. Obviously ithelp that we got grason in it all sort of clicked together, but I do believethat Melican, you know the investment in even the likes of Andy Morrel peopleat a o were mad espect on the club from a championship. You know, even thoughthe free agents it was a different, different level of player, was it wella yeah? I mean I think they got to a point where the actions weren't theyweren't, putting any more my money in. I don't know if I I wanted to, but Idon't think I would have let him anyway, because you don't remember I mananas itdid spend you know two hundred and seventy five ton Chris mark in tunegrand on and decrees rabbit a Bin, so call came in and was like no no mosstanding. So if it wasn't a Villari yeah, we would have just been tiringalong. I think absolutely my boggle in like I used to think that yeah we werelucky, but we had a few good strokes like with, like, like I say, likemanager, equipment, an things like that was went out. Well, they or just a base,all of just a guy trying to come and flog hisbeer and then and then up investing in, like the Charlie, had an bid for him tocome to the club at all these tiny things that have just happened and ifWeelna emotion, he actually is Quin the probability in that Foto I mean I think we probably would havegot promoted to a charpoy with an because I think we already have a lotof those players. You know talk about that, so Spio, U know, keep sevenkeeting Parker ye be Havin, go by suppose about Yo Haband we had a of Creolin. They sionally brought in a lot of those signingsnecessarily and obviously carpets great, and I think there was a big move thatnearly didn't have an actual grace and...

...he was so. He was installed as care to take amanager, but they wouldn't take off the CATAKA position. The wind take off thattime, so he was technically still on. Think Grayson was on like minimum wage.He was on bout. You know like now equal a week when he was a player, he had hisappearance, money and bonus money that would get from playing every week. Sowhen I took over his car take em an I do was still on my contract to is in anErin Nigh quite a week or whatever it was would have been, but he actuallywasn't playing any more. So he wasn't getting any of his appearance man. Sothe car wanted to keep them on my contract and another director of theclub was like. You've got a you know, and I think Simon was Havin, troublegetting on players and an bringing players in because he was just cantotake a mind just so it's hard to come in someone to come and join it. Youknow on my journey, so I think it was quite a big negotiation for car tofinally give him his stout of the money he was already on as a player and givehim that title what you entally did at the end of the year and then, obviouslyyou know it's an inputs, but yeah go bout to Belican. I think I think the biggest thing was one frimechampionship for a couple of years were actually consolidated our position, butthe club was in debt by a million or something, and it was a board read inspecifically where Carl presented the accounts said. Look, we've got no money,it's hard for us to say is division as we are you a te need to put money inspeaking to Owen and the letter. Oh we're going to go back. We should justgo back down to League one. That's that's what I said. I think I was likea fort than of force the hands a little bit so valary owing went out into aroom, discussed it and then Helada I can have go in and knowing proudlypresentative. We've got his play, trust and we're going to put money inManville pope money in and I don't think coins over came in it because that, again it all cametogether. We you've got grace had left the lead. We had a lot alone plays, goback, Wi some ow. The SOMATI parks is a great job in getting Djan, Balam theclub and then in the summer they all came together. Then it again to buildthat squad from from the absolute ruin to somehow having a team that couldcomplete, at least in the top off of the championship, and I was going on todo even better than that yeah. I think it starts with Charles. Doesn't it theseason before and you know even Charlie on lone? This is sort of how buttleoperated and Lo League clubs, I think in general operate, but we had our Angoon line. Didn't we and I need em pretty well with her, then I think he wentback on on and so mart Williams called up ranges and said: Look come ye out, Oan go back and he says no he's going. I think if it's a narration the end, Isaid, look to God. This lord call. Taliare me players plays on my left abefore midfield, it's a big Oleway, plase God pretty good left out on him.So we bring him in a low and IBOS sticking in the middle of the park asthey an is in second half of my season and then you know we spend the entireoff season. Pane. Trying to sign him permanently nearly goes to the craft ina me- and I don't know if you did. You know that I don't know a a, but how doyou tell me what's already income and that's why I found out what what peopleare? No Yeah Kick O N Yeah S. HIS AGENT IS DIM my es brother and he was in he.He used to do. preses training. Council teams used to run him, so he was in aporte of Spain with with Presson just trying to get olivary trying to getcharterers them. So I think that's what kind of force pot pulling me in to say.Well, we can't we can't let them go to our arch rival, so I'd be a disaster,so you know without and the various money and- and I think in Holloway aswell was obviously a holy holy come by vis pot and was such a good salesman.But you know Ballachan didn't like him and I start because Carl hideing behindhis back, so he had no idea who he was and then Holloway out to sell him onhis vision, and I think it was him telling the bare we'll buy theseplayers of your money will sell. He Mama and Millar asked him for his hiscedents or, and he was able to show him some players. He must have sold the carand left her probably didn't tell him the wall story about some of theplayers who turn out to be crap but short in I could sell. I sell some ofthese players on and the lar must have believed him and it words becauseCharlie, you know self a Wat ten fifteen times as much as what pat themyeah and I think Halloween had something similar in his contract. Ithink I et were because I think it came out in the new. Yet you know it was onquite a low wage for the championship, but if he could sell them some playersfor a more value than he will get a percentage of that as well yeah. Iremember that becoming quite a big. I remember that being a big deal in thepapers- and I was always like that- seems fine as he's that's what you want,you were a selling clof you get Charlie out of you know, lithes paying so wellyou're not going to keep him for five years. Oh yeah, I did. I was got so andI know that s. What hole was trying to do, but he was always quite scatted himwasn't. He was kind of being in the young players and he ate be developmentGod, but we didn't have the facilities. We didn't have this, you know we hadtwo coaches him and Tom Alan. We didn't have the infrastructure to do that, but,finally enough at sports, a Hollane sadly never got a penny out of thatmoney. He said CAL, sifting up on o all that money was of so I wasn't. Whattiring of and car was like. Well, you might have made money on Charlie Adam,but you've cost me money on. You know Grande. He he an sold, and you know allthese players on war. Does he release on a free transfer? So after all aboutcontroversy, says he never got any of the money of it so that maybe that was some sort ofmoman factor in the fact that most of those players left free transfer assoon as a contract but out in the years later in it all speculation, but wedidn't make much money out. Of that I...

...mean leagues. Quite I don't think thatwe, no, I mean BIOS hats, just lack of Faultin car as well in the club. Youknow, how do you not? I I von go into the Premier League season yeah and hejust laughed on a free transit because we've been reliant in his all contractsand he was is class so like I was just bad panning, but I never been neversigned any one to four or five year deals, even even the best players. Nonot I wanted to sign a Folye beale to be fair, but you know they didn't beenin lock of as those guys, and that was you know. I think, a part of the reasonwhy a lot of them left on free transfers just because because theycould, because we didn't, we didn't properly lock him up. Yeah, that's interesting, because hall way,when he first came in, I think he intones, but he mentioned about Fox togo in and he sort of said. We stopped this happening. As suse came in, hesaid we need to get these players on longer on contracts, and I know inFox's case he wasn't even just sort of wasn't offer an another contract, so wejust went and they were happy for in to go, but he did make a point of thatsaying it they do need to on these players a on the contracts m yeah, it'sjust hard because I mean you look at Halloween a lot of his dinings weren't. Very good.Really I mean I wush about squat was already bad before her and even Charlie,and you all got some of it plays he brought in, especially in a premier league. I meanhow many can you really name and that dive did much for us. I mean you, lookat that Premier East bodies, probably a week and an it wasn't a chalet onshares. Colan left and you know we didn't bring Darby. So youknow, look at some of the names last some of a you just got for some of henames year by year on micates like a Elius, a good idea, but we didn't havethat recruitment network. It was just. It was just relying on Garry penrice,his friend, who was a scout in France, so you would just get calls from peopleand say: Oh you want to say this Loton and you know jest link. Vane wasstereorary, just say: We've got a lot of Royou want him and he so yeah, andyou know how many times is that going to work out its like a League oneplayer on lone in the Premier League. It just did but as a lot of time, butit didn't work out because we didn't have scouts. We've been haveinternational starts. We have domestic stare, so it's just him. I done Gary Pan Welaen from car, sohe's got his hands tied in line to a certain degree. You mentioned being a aplayer and then is it. You say, got his name on then, when a little women achampion is league fellahah yeah. So he's yeah, but maybe that that's theone signing we need to secure premial states. I know obviously didn't happento everyone's grateful for that now, but just yeahs. My call I got but probably beaware of A. I N T be fair. I member in my premier league summer, you know theworld of going after Stotin player and an go rung up from SPONSA. You know ifyou talk about getting the if you Actius, if you get the nature and notchanges everything, but you know it's to be fair to all ever what you clearlydid not even identify some guys you had to who would have really helped aboutjust because you know I already a couple o years later, yeah her was on abig rumor at the time as well, when it a yeah. So, as touching back on the old intenses and then obviously say, you've spoken to Halloway himself, did you get any insight in terms of whyyou took the job and how it all came together in that season and then yother lot of stories along the way of how she went from expected to a midtable to achieve in arguable biggest miracle in modern football? Well, I think not many of her offers tobe fair. I don't think he's always getting kicked down, especially withchampionship co so, and he took for all- and it was quite a black put it intoview Allan Nail from Berry. I in an do it che from Branford Garry Rabin andBramin town cars interview, because it just been a just got knocked out of aplay of final Cambridge like a week ago, so completely Tancas, it be wasn'tready, so Halloway just blew away behat a for an half hour in TV. Obviously Ithink everyone knows a story. Carl terms of Blaye is not that tie on all.I have to buy the coffee, so you ORT to take to bias to have to buy it, and I just clap me always had a goodrelationship didn't rely now. I think Holloway always used to say the bestChan by the words for then, if it's sat anymore, but it something thateverything was everything was in place for someone to take him to the nextstep. You know they had to. Despite me his you know the players and they hadplayers who would go down the ball, but I hadn't been asked to be good in aboutthat. He so, and he he was always just getting for in defense in to feel O- dodo self for men with Halloway. He had him often the furthest man, Lo proneuseyou're, not charer, would you know, be a bit deeper and keep me in a press, sokeepers always higher up time in the ball back, so you got players. It canjust completely transform into a new role. Under this year out, O theholiday had warein just completely revelat revolutionize. How you want itto to see you to game, I think, go a pen rise called in one day and said youknow, be creative, build something do do youwant used to be just defending out all your teams are boring to watch so again,this kind of pet talk and says England's and Ireland. You know I'mhere and in Europe, and you can just go about God brought all these differentcountries and you can see that football is beautiful everywhere and you knowyou need to bring them back and look at swans and what they're doing and allthese other teams O o. We say I say Lo-...

...is over team blob. Were many otherteams do it. Then we were probably one of the first. So he a this of come toJesus molen and back all where everything was in place. Wasn't it he,I keep so ing. You know the talk of the David Vol operate in the spaces andkeep him evolving a a shadow charlie as he italis man, so they all just sort ofcame together and everyone built everyone everyone bought into it. Youknow all the players were: you've talked to a few were all sort of livingin the town, but not commuting in a lot of the skys lines, who were probablyPitt at because of our I've, been with a club for a few years, no beinteresting see while our team does now or whether we try and teach them theplayers. It sounds like the en try and spend a bit of money an hour in thechampionship, but it be nice if you could keep that call because it clearly,you can see some parallels with our Tibe, so you'd be nice to see what theycan do. If you try and take that next step to. I spoke somebody recently fromPlymouth his coach of the favor ten years, and he told me that he knew allthe way there and that he came in and gave the same thos peel about the coachcarton. So he brought them in in a coach cart. So it's clear that Ithought that was when he first it that I thought it was just black up Carl butapparently been at a few clubs he's obviously building this team mentality,this team spire. So I think he added in it but like you lost his way when hewent to when he went to Lester and- and just you know, I think he's mentionedit in a couple of ines, but you guys who were on Sol lunch money and but hewanted to play a lobe. No, I'm not playing him. You know thirty. Three Iwanted to retire about. You know we had to me La Mandriver gave me ten round aweek, so I just took it. I don't even want to play. You know you had a goalkeeper he wanted to send out in lawn, and he said no, I'm not going out lowand I'm going to sit here and on every penny in my comeback because they gaveme all his money, so he'd seen that happen, and I think that's why he kindof got on the car so much, because it's seen the sort of over and be respectumthe other end of a spectrum and need to come into bathful and everything was so.You know your earning everything to you know you're working out with. I thinkhe is. You know a working class lines. Dad was in fact he's all his life. Youknow working for Penny to, I think he's got a little bit about whatever it'sbread, an whether it's just talking shit. Now, who knows wot clear theplayers Borings, I you know we always have that to much older wi found outmuch about the Dane I make between Halloway and Uston, because I, like yousay, they've, always done a good work in relationship and we've seen it fromfrom you know from the outside. Looking in that everything seemed to be cut, heseems to have a whole, a more foe, the manager and as Yeah Yeah, he definitelygot the most concessions out O car. I think we have to you know. I admit thateven something towards the end of the season. Like you mentioned, we broughtin James Colman at love and after the alerte went down. They were alreadyother budget by that point, but I washes kind a couple undergone on early.I think- and he Wud say Carl could have said: Stick Rob Edwards on the rightput back to a some all right. Whatever you put that to you, some right putRobert Boots back on the center off, so he didn't. He said I want Chamis calland EA were of a budget, but I need him and he got him. You know he startedgoing to better hotels at away grounds. You know- and I just belong distancefunds, but you know even Parson or we wave we were playing in language of westarted playing and staying in Nice hotels. I think we got a little bit ofwork and on Squire Gay, I think Halloway. I tol this story aboutbecause he didn't seem didn't see, be to an in round don mean to ke processand he went to so when his supposed to erupt up at Squire cat and realizes howbad it is. You know this huge digits in a football page, just like completelyunsafe and he called Carl up on. He said you've not done any word for this,and- and he was it's right because it's not been any work, so it's is put insomething a few during and around in it and Carl was like no. I don't get onabout that. I don't stop talking about that. It's your first day and alwayssaid, come down here and take a look at the pitch and it was quite, I think itwas destined to be cause Carl had been had been it. It had a family do of aweekend and it injured his ankle playing bridge bulldog. So Ah this biga turned ankle or whatever and he cold yeah yeah great bull, dog yeah. We allthese kids and I ses like a family parties by in Bridge Bill and all in aand down to a training, ground and said, go on other one am bet and so calltaste open am a pitch and he turns his ankle again. A is so is always likesees not safe, it's not safe for my players, it needs satin and that's howI we ended up. That's what it was with callyd never say. Yes, he would giveyou five noes and then, if you were able to really convince him, likeHoolay, was able to in a bit a mad hat tyke a way. You know you eventually got be yes andwe went to. We went to file cast wet. We love for for a couple of months andthen came about his wise gay was still shit, but I think the managed to fix upthe pictures, at least so yeah. He did manage to work his mantic a little biton card, but I think he one of the reasons he left in the end was just howexhausting it was have been just to be constantly fine and find in all thetime and now always said he was fine to plays and to people. But Carl wasfining for money all the time, and now it's just this sort of differencebetween them to, I suppose, a yeah I think I can be got on. I think we had aproductivity and ship, but I think it was some key moments. You know notselling Charlie after it been promised to be solved. If the top six came clickclub clearing, I think what did you say, all livecoal or technically ten forwhatever so we're not selling you, which is just really all that you know.I think Halowe had a quite a big pick...

...out when he got because I earlier saidHolly. I wasn't on Mame money, but I think it was earning more than an evenplayers that I thought he was Olin Double Butch all animals if in primate,but when he got obviously a big wage cut and they tied into a pitre payment.So we knew about every player, well, mother, players of the manager and thecoach and stuff every time. Every year the carate payments declined, but theircontact with the climes are so doing that you know the Callada bonus.You know in tale an took a call to coup for the Barnes pay. I think Hallowayhad the same clause in his contracts, so he could have technically one aswell the cars that now you have to see before it. So I think over the is justbot constant fighting just at it just run its cost and mist it just gotexhausted by Yeah Adam said they didn't even win any money from at the end,because all the money that they got from the bonus playing and a was allthe corfee, but it was just yea. The Lo surprise me, I think it was about fiftygame. We, and so there were five of a place who have the same close atincluded Halloway, obviously so they were all like. Well he's been in caught now we sure weshould get in cars that now even have to see me. So I was what, as you know,they wouldn't got any money out of it. Yeah, and I mean imagine that I mean Iknow it's a story. Everyone knows but like in many you just got from Ardeayou're preparing for the premier league season. You want every thing to it. Youknow you're already having to play four away games in the first five gamesbecause they have to build the east time you're already so so far behind weate not, you know, you've not stand any players. Cars got y know, but skys gotmustick like Blackpool tons, burs in zero cars go bas is screen, shot on,but is wall paper and on page, and all of this is happening. It's just likeit's amazing. We even started off so well. As with I ralstone yeah. It'samazing. The Team Spirit was that high, like the foe going. I think it's slowlyeroded, as you know, the corks of black pool. You know washing a kid and he atit's right, no, no food. If it's raining round- and you know, stand thegrounds wins putting on a ball of porrige players, you know every otherday or whatever. Just what all that sort of stuff is quite cute, and youknow you know you can use it as motivation when you're a Atanasio andeven maybe it was start in the Premier League, because you've got an undergounderdog card but think all the time as a realizing when he was coming in andwherever when he was going, it lost its novelty, it lost its. You know itspurpose because it was just like well, we don't mean to do this and then oryou're doing it out of Chipeta. You want to give other people money likeyou dad yeah. I remember that game a weekbefore the League season time we play his at home. I think. Obviously I wentin the ground and the east and was no where he finished. The players on apitch were absolutely bare. Bondry haven't time to play yet, and I, as Ithink it was the e because they were time like cap cart, Grandin tillvestage would come in on a something I think left a couple ofothers, but it was absolutely a disastrous pre season. Yeah it was yeah. I was did the Devincop as well being from a Steven Cup where they come off the train. We havecome off the culture we've been on for eight hours or whatever her playing afootball game. Forty five minutes, so that wasn't Paul's Cheate, because Iwent to Potiale. I think a couple years later and started doing about that wasall the way being from a South West and wanting to go down there and now to aso. I was all on him in a can ben calf that I was just you know we had like you know the performance analyst LiliaSweeter he's actually clearly go at his job, as I think his head of recruting,a M K dons that, but he was a nineteen year old, doing a studio study, a workat work experience her vesse studing in new cat. Doing a year out- and actuallythat's the guy who's you know- maybe lean was really good at it, but I'msure he always wore that good to because they had a new one over year,just syce from and that's the guy who's look. Looking at Chelsey. Looking atour still saying how we be there, it's pretty crazy, Poonster wow right, let's be one to a Rabit: moredid. He say he still follow black more closely or was he sort of cut size itall afther an that he's been involved with I get a setene doesn't follow himback closely. He showed me his room, we still go. He never really get in folsof there and I think he was now probably really into it for a while,but he's a business money. I came in to make money eventually and I think itwas a bit of sentimental to there, but I think he did get quite close withfans. You know at IM field and he went over there a lot. He works with TstGerman cork cases, so I think he became if not a fan. You know definitelysympathetic and allied to some of the fans, but I mean e D. I say here and Iwatched the payoff final with caspers who's, a director with ob as well. Hewas helping me translate, so I was with real watching the player final andBlares Bank, but Larina shot his cover job and a e for WHO's doing the underwherever and whether he would have stayed an I'm, not shore E E wastextises and it was like a Hispa was very n Texan, a dram, agame and stuff,so that was that was pretty cool right. So yeah. I've always heard thatNorman's film at was, you know he was a big Fan and others ly. My Dad went tothe cock case in one. Do them a change him with a beer and things and heseemed massively passionate and into...

...the club yeah. I guess Ye spose, notthat yourself. So I need her to speak to norman a on'ly. He really wanted tospeak about it anymore, so it was Kibei's doing this be so, but it wasquite cool because caspers came in in two tousand and fourteen and he wasn't,he came in he and went with her about a couple of times would have ben a tireof as OI would have lost. So you know he never really got so captured byBotpu. Understanding was Serut when we were watching a play off final. He wasso excited by it and he was like you cant saying how jealous he was ofNorman, the Larry being from a star and watching them, and not being your valand being Cardiff, and I used really cool because I was seeing someone getcaptured by a biple in a way like you are seeing it alive in front of my eyes.He's asking his questions that I want to go to a game a star season. I wasasking on the season start and it was you know. I think I don't know aboutyou guys, but I got really into basketball, doing the protest and Ithink a lot of fine started trying to find orestes to watch for a while whenwe were buying cut and stuff. So I, like, I, just got helped by the BA andit was his cool watching. Someone get hops in real tie by wit of Potpan,hopefully, is a an. I ll have to see you happen season. If he comes on agame, did he offer or some of his might be an be it didn't do it? KAMAS isstill in. I think it's been shut down, but cast was in o his restaurant and wehad horse radish Modica, which was an disgusted in my age, pertenoble yeah,so we intreated, I entreated him for about three hours. Many were ten ten meand cast was been out for a couple of years and then went back to her to thebank to watch the game right so yeah I mean Belican, obviously thesaviors they just just for the fact that he managed to we got the club out.You know we got the cart back from the Austin ownership through the receivership in the courts and everything and Velikom was the figure head for thatwasn't its always is a saviour by. I find you think he'll come back to if he came back for a game or some feltthat much presented a half time. I'm sure you get a unbelievable reception.Do you think that could be in the pipe line? Yeah ever yet to see you a a recession got yeah, I'msure you would get a better here as welcome a he didn't. Get much away isvery diplomatic, so I don't know if I'd ever be something he would do to behonest at some far thing is had some legal issues in England as well. So Idon't know how realistic that is to happen any timesoon. It was an impressive guy to speak to- and I know- and I know they did care aboutthe club and when the receiver ship coming because I know we were reallyworried about the the ten fine deduction we I got and they'll keeptalking to. I best, and I think Tim Field and go- we were asking you knownow. Would the fans take a ten point: e Otion whut? Youknow what happens to the club. What if we do this and we are like hey byeveryone because we've got is relegate and a the fans I've er speaking to wejust Than't know you got to do it, it's worth it. We would gladly take a townfind deduction to get rid of the ICIN, and so they were careful in that sense. But but we seewe still a business man trying to get trying to get his money. You know thatI think it was all the love of blackball that makes sensem yeah. I was talk about building a statue. Ithink at one point. I think that I'd be a at that t be a bit much. I think on'tit yeah, I mean to say: We've got Dan more instant, Jimmy arm fields. I thinka few of the or nineteen probably need one before the couple. Agers yeah,that's fair enough. Okay, I'm pretty happy with that sort of conclusion. InBarry, I'm pretty sure, there's more in your boat, yeah yeah, there's a lotmore in the Boffalora. Can we move on to Riga? Now? Yes, it was not showsthey like he was. He was a really nice and for Iwas not expected to get back to me at all about so I didn't think he wint tospeak, but it was, you know very professional, andyou know just a Gen omophorus gave a lot. I know what is spoken toCarl before Jose and Karl was you know ripping into him. So I asked him atabout that, and you know some of the accusations like car was making abouthim, and it's just that as one of those s. Oneof the the tougher parts of I think me right in the book is that you got these two complete oppositesides of the story, and I okay, you know Carl, maybe not the most revivalself, but Jersey is also done. You know Jose was also in charge of it, a teamthat was losing every week and was absolutely terrible, so he's not goingto want to take to much responsible for about himself. So I have been trying topass through that and get to the SUMERIA. Truth is quite impossible.Really it goes. You know you look at some of the mings,but how to doing out time and how many even we'd go to Haman, even the crap,and he looked at Appleton, been doing much here. He look at him now and he'spretty good. You just be probably as managers just in the wrongcircumstances and reg not really done much since so you probably say: Maybewasn't ever that good, but it come in people forget it done an amazing job, achild and the fore dont Blackpool joining the Games into the season, andI think he won seven of his folding games there or something and justcompletely change their season around. So I think the craziest thing aboutthat son O as the managerial search R...

...was obviously I went on to Whir. Idon't I remember the week Carl said after the last the last week of thelast season. He said we want to hire a manager with been within a week or inten dates. Then, forty days later, Josika comes in after cars. When tryingyou know, I think the interview Gomer Ricardo Monets or in Poland now he washe was lean to a job for a while. He was, I think it was a lucky, a good answhatever, but this just goes to show the storybut to show how this is after Mat Williams like so it's just call on hisown mass to discuss to show how how ready things going to fall down thehouse. How much of a sort of shit show e have scenes it was so is Carl text ajournalist who I want t do is then, but it's probably not a hard to figure outsaying. Well, the journalist text cars in ever got a new manage an you guysthink so. Come met me at Manchester Airporttomorrow. So this journet comes to Manchester Airport and there is gun,Bolli and Richair. Who was the UNTER? A team pinger and bro well what you didand M Annis like well, what are you doing here and it turns out they'regoing to interview wine Minter, and none of them knew. Who else call mesome bense right? We went to Poland, the gates fired to Poland, and I got to MIS gay and Carl Piceasjourny saying that's him. That's how new manager and issuance like rise onso I'm going to interview en your manager is like no you're goingIntervoo a job, so carl heard his delegation of who he was going to intoa manager was the under eighteen manager, the head of the fansassociating band bold in a la local journals, so yeah that was that was hewas running the club at the time we just had to nobody. Now you know chiefInstat, now no one to really rely on, and I don't mean to be lasted very long.I don't think it went very well, and I know that were Ting to get ellen kyleand going ber on the way to in cars. Now that my been later actually once hetried to start remember to try to suck well besides to hire a new, you knowgot a Reaon caddle underneaf jus beyond his back. I think we were all the wayto his hard of the paper be for his age and scope videl and the last second, soI think we're really scrambled around trying to find someone. I think by thatpoint the word we gotten out, but go back but ples a bit of a basket caseand don't go on welfare, and I think rege got the job really because he endof his home. Like I didn't, I don't think I knew anything about that.Poland. It took a job. I think he just sat was an ex famyliare with a bit ofmoney, because I ally ready to sort of go back of the leagues. Obviously he was is very wrong, buthe's still on who he said, he still watches a get. What doesn't watch againbut still watches the league table, and it's all you know supposed to you andhe said, he's believe love to go back for a for a game. I don't know what wesection you get on, probably it a bit different, but he was quite a nicesortent rot that and plaainer club. He always he always had a goodrelationship with fans. You remember that you know that everyone stillsupporter and to him as fighting car, so you no, we were crop, it would getyes standard ovations and everyone was was cheering his name and stuff. So I think he, you ally, think quitefondly, but poor fans, and I think he I think he really enjoyed that spell. You know that partof this time here, even if everything else was so polin pieces yeah it stuckwas quite hag, like I say after the Charan job, wasn't it and then I was inthe Riga Revolution, which I I definitely got into an got three yearseason ticket. I never went the second in botany, so it all fall. Pines frommy very eyes, which was very sad, very angry input of the tinlern for thefanoe. It way I suppose I brought in to new players, not not that any of themwas particularly good. You only had to hear what per Clark said about thoseabout your second year and our pan. Like fucking, a man I was there, thenot enginest game, and that was that was all I need to see to be like we are.We are done here, yeah I mean, but that Tonsil, when it was a job I mean, andthat's what it's hard to. So when I interviewed call he said about he toldto Josane his interview and he said and joys. I gave him a list of fortyplayers of for you, Fifty Piers old domestic base. He can just come in andyou know he could sign him and I beesy and then he's called alleged Bo whenJos he got into a job. We get in this list of eleven players and we're allforeign betche. Now To me, a championship club shouldn't have muchproblem, signing form players. You know it's not. You know. If YOU'RE A lowleague club- maybe you just you- know, used to register and you're not used toscowling them, but to me a tould be a problem for us, but anyway it was thecar, but I actually told to another person who was do about interview andhe said that's not true. He said Jos issued in form by his Andamaners, soI've not, I think, that's call tall. I said of that to be honest base, anotherover reporting ive done, but they were out heads immediately. Cal Cal, I think,had a pretty good idea, but he wanted the manager to interview players and really get toknow him and, and is Simon. Rason was really big on, but he would he wouldget a player who we might thought was really good, be everything wasalmostwe've any been to him and he was like...

...no he's not he's not for us and evenBob a player and this good resume. I would say I not not for US- and he isquite a stringing on that. So I think Carl, after seeing some of her, maybeScott, an approach. All he had a fall in so sins, biforn sinus didn't do much.I think it was trying to get back to that and trying to have go interview.All those players at meet em in person, but ree was trying to sign. You know agood good quality of players he weren't going to come to a trial, but that F,you know, he's going to come for a trial. That's what Carl wanted towonted more on trial he's going to join. You know early in the sea. It's goingto be just all the cat stops in the players who, in that cup it's going tobe. You Know Peter Clark, who's dealer. I think I listen to your podcast, butwas a Hotesse or not Oti's, not going to be now your quality players soyou're buying for a couple hundred grand o. You know you that type of guyis it so it was a complete mismatch from day one- and you know, there's obviously beenaccusations that a lot of the players attached came with bonds and stuff.Where you go denise that quite the humanly, as is his agent, don't thinkbecause any evidence that regas involved of it- but I know car- wasworried about it at the time, but some of these foreign players were come inwith intermediaries and all that stuff, and you know whether that's justsomething used as a stick to be regal with or whether that's something I usedto say all the time. That's the matter, you know have to read a book to find so aits strange how that Dynamei, when,if Carl is so stringent about the player, is bringing in. Why didn't he?Why was it so stringent with me in the person- and you know rege obviouslydidn't want to follow the way that the club was being run and there were a lotof heads immediately, so why I find a dispoint at position without doing hishomework initially to work out where the Riga was a a kind of figure thatyou need it probably well. I think he called Charlton and Ithink Chorton gave him good. You know a record Andato and he youknow we have. The interview means to be went on very well and Jose came to batport to visit the training ground and he had a little ground, and he said youknow it's, so they really is bi, don't need anything super impressive and Ithink it was all. I think it was all going fine until it was came totransfers and they must just not have. I think it's more on joys. To be honest,I didn't do it some work about who it was working. So I think I think aproblem started from day one month to start talking about transfers, and youknow I think, Jos, he had tious idea that they would get a lot of you knowlong players from from the top Premier League clubs, and I think he went toEverton and obviously is I don't know if Joss Belgium or is French, but youknow he's working Algia, Belgium, a lot s gardner, so you t to Ricardo, beomesEverton and I think that's how we got on stronger and but ye. This idea, Iwould go that's why we hired no war late from England under nineteen thatcame in as a coach, but I think way didn't really have that really I don'tget ended very well in England. I us, I don't think you had that relationshipwith the you young vies and then no one. No no talk to you wanted to send us aon players because it was so bad here. You know when we are Alway Jon orshelving Colima Manamana d. You Know Daddy Wilson from from liver Cos withquite for all o the time we were able to get some pretty quality. Longplacers from the Premier League and Josie wanted to do that as well, but itjust wasn't happening at all, so he had an idea. You could see whatwas just never what it worked on was really good. He was as but yeah and obviously that's why Idon't want to you know I like to to talk to him about a makes. One write.The signings were absolutely terrible and some of the players we signed aboutsome one, but I know they weren't his first choice or anything like that, andI think I even said I think someone told me about some son was recommendedplayers at one point. It was that back a oones about football. I know it's notyeah having coming saying METI accidentally bump into hima couple of times. It doesn't strike me as a big football fan. Put it that way.It's not what you want. Is it the chairman and Meconin players? No, youcouldn't t hotel, particularly well. They could e sell Elenthero it wellenough for himself, but maybe not for the gate is Goto say only thing you canrun well is his mouth part from Nisis lucking yeah. So howdoes it what's a closings of chapters following the Riga stiff? Howdoes it so, as the book give conclusion so, there's there's going to be acouple of chapters on following the money and the finances is going to be aChapton all the fans out the suit which things really important, to give them avice and yeah. You know the the carts in a protest and trying to not make ita completely miserable read in the middle, where it's all going to de plotand pay by some of what the Times are doing, the St and Christine and Tehinand all those guys so I've not quite finished it. So I still don't obviouslythe rest of this month, so I'm not quite sure on just how to wrap it alllot, obviously kind of wraps itself up in our probably I'm going to cover thecall case. That's actually going to be a big part of it. The receiver shipcoming in I mean I think it'll probably...

...be a quite a quick conclusion, becauseunfortunately, the there is a limit on pages. I also don't think the newborder. I've had tentative talk to them, but I don't know if I'll ever get aninterview with a of San, a that, I just don't think they're they're, quitequiet the keep he cards closs the chest on't this. So so I don't know how muchVenus it'll probably finish. You know with a just with a close and conclusionjust about how you know things are looking up and just right now, really on everything'sthings going well self, as so everyone's enjoying it again. So wejust as how to conclude, I guess a happy end and real the cell phone wellyeah. I think I think it's important actually whatyou've written about. I think people any even to people are black. All fansO D, be aware of what the end and outs of what what I've gone through onestyas fans in the club and the turmoil as this happened or even for fans thatdon't know like Apalano and say, don't know every in and out. I know the sortof the majority of anomos Amos boycott as well, but but yeah there's so somany little bits of nuggets information in there that you just don't realizelike I couldn't give you all this of all the people that were sued, I couldname a few Bok not come in Eli conclusively on great that in there aswell, but it's just yeah people should be like, even though it's not ourproudest part of history, it is part of our history and yea, itcould be, should be documented and we should be aware of it and yeah.Hopefully, it'll make people be more happier and realize what we have. Wesave I now the new born yeah, so the books, you know, obviouslythe first third of it is- is gain him out and you know the happy years. Soit's not all deeming ly it kind of just descends into that. So really is justcharting my journey of the team. You know the risen fallen and you know riseagain now so yeah there's a lot of stuff in it, but I think we'll be somestuff people know. I will be some people there's a lot of things, a lotof stuff that I on cover with that people have no idea about what happens.So I think it's it's going to be. Hopefully I think, an important. Ithink every God Col Fan is going to need to read this pocket is quiteexhaustive and I think there's a lot of people are interviewing. Probably wantwant to speak about it again. I don't know how often the lary Bella cannotspeak about to. I don't know how often Jos a regal one to speak about. So Ithink it's really be comprehensive. That's what I'm aimed I orante conventive look of the last ten years of of what was happening yeah. I think itturn it perfectly as well, which is part, look for part. You know findstogether as well in him and that we've got to the championship. We've gotSimon, Savon House, one seems so fast. You know the books coming out. I thinkyou said Septembers are going to be finished, yeah September, twenty sevenyear million. So by that point, Oulon team assembled may take on a championand one can read it with the knowlege safe in the knowledge that there youknow the power is over, isn't it were with her where we always need to be,and we can close that chapter of our history and just go through without the emotion and pain that we'veall gone through in as part six years as well so and Colege every singleblackball fan to buy this book should be a really good read available forPreederoy it's. So you know if you just Gone Ward, Tu on or the wear Smith,it's actually twenty percent off, and I was one now and I have no control hat.I go from the published, so I don't know how one that laughs. So I wouldrecommend jumping on that now, so how not to run a football club see is tento send off an Omer on so go. I really a man. How can people follow you ontwitter as well? He is a Nathan fog B, FC on twitter. Now he givin up thet andgiving em that long, yeah, there's link there through to Wesel as well, so anconfounde easily, so yeah, obviously really into chance. Here, really enjoyssome of the really appreciate you going on and ye go up with a book andeverything well was to get able to push on. Hopefully, you get on her the youtexposure there first yeah is on it, sometimes a as to get more involved infamiliation, full use and further competitions. Make sure that you sin Oor of age and also follow our social media pages on Switzer and Facebo a.

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