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Episode #44 Tom Aldred Talks Tangerine

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Hosts, Tom Johnson and Dan Hopwood spoke to Tom Aldred on life in Australia. The turbulant years at Blackpool F.C. when the club suffered two back to back relegations before finally climbing out of league two. We delved into the reasoning behind Tom's departure from Bloomfield Road, who he thought his best manager was and what it was like to share a room with Gary Madine. Another, great listen from season two of the utmp podcast.

Welcome to the one to podcast by you TMP. We had great Camerad I think the fan player relationships incredible. It's the best changer in by mile that I've been in. Even kind of things made the team stronger, made the bond stronger, made kind of play to the club that kind of strange, a little bit more enjoyable, a small, unbelievatality group who was just absolutely think like a tangently unstoppable force. What come back to the second season of YOU TMP pods. Just let you know we still have plenty of prints and mugs available. Telepole's improve our content further and keep us running. Thanks you continue support so far. Welcome to episode forty four of the YOUTMP podcast. It's evening. It were joined by former Blackpool player Tom aldred. Tom Made Ninety two appearances, scored seven goals and featured in another successful playoff fin up a black pool. Given many of us didn't see Tom play or were there at the time, we thought it would be quite a good idea to get some perspective of what's happening in and behind the scenes during this turbulent years at Blackpool. That's I'm me all right. Well, may your right I was thinking going. All Right, oh, Mat, yeah, you're gonna have to excuse me literally when Mrs Botts and flowers and I think I've got slipping allergicly actually be left eye. What other than that? They all go year yourselves. Yeah, really good. Thanks. I was IMTIM and this is down as well. So well, both big blackpool fans. Do you do this like for like a podcast flat the fans and that? Yeah, without a few x players on a few coaches and things like that. So yeah, May to just stop to chap different different areas as well as heils. Be Quite interesting because it was sort of a down period in the club and not a lot of funds without at the time. So be good to get your intact that as well. Yeah, Oh good. Yeah, no, but no worries. Looking forward to it. Office that where you are now, see in Australia. More what brought about the move and how came and how you finding it over there, and is it all things different like there set up in the FL Oh yeah, it's so interesting really, because I came over here when I was I was at mother well at the time, so obviously leaving black pellow, went to bury that. That's another story in itself going to bury, which I'll probably touch on a bit later, but then I went online to mother well, which was really the blessing of me when I left black pool was that I got to find another club which I was happier, as happy as as I was at Blackpool in Motherwell. Anyway, long story shot, I got to the stage where I was like I played in Leagues One and two and the bit in the championship, and then I probably played in Scotland for about a year and a half and I'll like I was twenty eight years of age and I just didn't want to just sort of continue to do what I'd always don't I wanted to almost it's a short career football. You know what it's like, can I just wanted to sample something else and I was at a stage where I was like look, if an opportunity abroad came up, I would explore it. And it was weird really because I was at time. It was it was a few countries, agent spoken about a few countries once or anything's factor. You don't know it. Anyway, one night in towards the end of March I'd got a phone call from agent said, Oh, would you go to Australia and I was like, well, I need to know more than just Australia. Know, like it's big country. Had I don't know, se as will. Robbie fowlers in talks with one of the clubs out there and he's going to get a job and would like to speak to you. Said your his number one target, as if I need to what club is it? And he told me Brisbane, and then it was went from there. Really I met Robbie in the tickled trout in Preston with the assistant, Tony Grant, who actually worked at black not with me, but ad worked there, and we had a chat and everything he said was just like marrid everything that happened. Spoke about the place, spoke about the League, spoke about the team he was trying to build and and from there. It's went from there. And fast...

...forward too and a few years now I've been here, like I say, two and a half, few years. I've signed for another three years captain the club. It's it's been great. It really was exactly what I wanted when I before. The opportunity came about something new and it look it's there's a lot to say about it. What I would say is it's a good league. It's a good level. So very good players out here, some not so good players, but now, all in all it's actually is a good league. It's very competitively and as you know, as the premier league in England gets bigger and stronger and as the championship is as some sure you seen there with Blackpool, players are now starting to go overseas and that's the definitely case here in Australia and I was steward just saying I think Jack Rodwell's in Sydney and then as there some of the top players that are out here that have played in in World Cups, you know. So as a good lad good level and I've been more than happy with the move. Yeah, it happened quite quickly and you were saying to the Wifi, you know, we're off to Australia, pack your bags and your offer was a yeah, that was it. Because but the period of adding Scotland was really successful one in terms of individually and collectively, because the team I was a part of we got to the Scottish Cup final. We've finished in the top six, which in Scotland is a good achievement for a club like mother well, so there was. I was chatting to a couple of clubs in Edinburgh, hearts, Hibernian, with the Shawn Signs of interest out of house up there as well. So it was like it made sense just to stay. So when I mentioned the Mrs All Australia, she's like what know, like we had a dog house. You know, it's and to people plan these moves in six years and I'm doing it in three, six weeks. You know. So it was, it was, it was chaotic, it was, it was it was hard, but now, looking back like it was probably a good thing. Like it was, it is one of the better things I've done because seeing players now that I've played with sign for clubs in League two and you know, I'm after the coal wid period. It probably hit the lower level, lower leagues hard. You know, that's not to say I would have been playing at that level, but I'm just saying that it difficult and look at and the life experience I've had it been been incredible. You know, billion sounds like a good moving obviously is thirty one now. So you thinking, you said the next three years, so you just think you'll retire over there and maybe stay over there or what's up and move forward. The thing is even Australia is is like where there is benefits is it's a it's a it's a short, not short, a season. It's as long but there's not as many games. So you do in England you're not. You're playing fifty five games a year. The body takes its toll, it's flipping exhaust and you travel up and down the country here play it. It's a twenty six game league which, and that's what Robbie and Tony Grant spoke to me about when the spot, when I when they mentioned it. Is that the opportunity to last longer and as a career you can definitely do that it. So my plan is is gotten up three years and then have a look to see where that you don't know. Three years a long time in football and whether I stay here or there's players that even go to what the team plays places in play in Asia for opportunities. So I wouldn't rule that out even but I could probably safely say I wouldn't be back in the UK to play. I've think I've died. I've ticked that box and feel like I've come through that. So so, yeah, but I don't know, I don't know, but I'm happy at the minute and enjoying it. That's good. Any any few transpirations the same football and do coaching. Oh, we wait, I look, I think I'll get me bad she's definitely at this stage. I like no, but then the problem that as the years go on you're like, I just couldn't see myself not in football in my life, you know, you love it that much. It's like it's one of those things that I couldn't imagine life without it. So I wouldn't say yes, I wouldn't say no. I'm definitely gonna get the badges. Yeah, I mean, all right. Well, we take a look back to...

...the start of your career then and right back to anywhere coming through. A Carlisle's took us through. How he sort of we always a center offul, which is my strike it coming through and then you first really early days in football. How any stand out memories there? Yeah, so I actually started a blackburn as a kid and I won't go into the long, long story because obviously beer on that. But yeah, Blackburn as a kid in me when I was approaching the time we get a scholarship to go into full time football and I was probably light head on. It is one of the ones to come through. However, I've got knee injury meal last year sports day in flipping long jump done me meet miniscus and literally like that killed me because I was out for a full season and Blackburn at the time didn't take us and they were Premier League club at the time. So may you team coach, Eric Kinder, took me to Cala United as a center off and he was the one who sort of thought seem he's a center half. went to Carlyle, loved it, great opportunity. League one club came through. Actually moved up there literally in a in a room that would probably be the size of like a literally it would get two single beds and me and Gary Redeem we're in the room. So me and Gary M Medine literally like grew up together in that room for about a year and after two years a guest thouse in Carlisle. So we both Din all right for ourselves, but I remember looking back, thing literally read an on suite between the two of us and just two single beds. And Yeah, I was there for three years. In the third year. I got into the first team at nineteen and it happened a bit too too fast, too soon for me, because I played five first team games and done really, really well, like started five play well, playing at some good teams, like put a couple of standout performances and I was out a contract. So it just took what for the compensation fee to get me out of Carlyle and obviously then going to Watford, as as I've learned now and I've seen for so many players to out my career is the get these moves at young ages because teams sand them on potential, which is fine, but they don't play first team games. And when you don't play first team games you find yourself not up, you find yourself falling out the game, because it's like any job. If you're a plumber and you're not working on the you know plumbing, you you're going to lose experience, you're going to like experience and you're going to fall behind. People were doing the job and that was that was the case. So I went to Watford and never really played in their first team, had various loan spells. Then Colchester actually signed me as well and it was a similar process there and I almost look I'm not going to blame people. I'll take full responsibility. One of the things I didn't like was moving down South, and I've moved to Australia now it's different, but moving down south, I just got some good friends down south, but it's just wasn't my cup of tea living down there and that was sort of put me back a bit. and which in answer to your question and fast forwarding sort of for a couple of years there. But and I ended up there at accurring to. So yeah, which out of the loans? Then us? was quite a few going on there, and you find maybe if you want playing us more shoot, you find was helpful for that time. Did you find that they give you good advice? And it's look like when I was at Carlio, that's what a lawn to a team called work and reds, which is a non league, an on League Tom in the I don't know what league they could be in now it looks when you're at Carlyle's youngster, you are always like right, if you're going to go on alone. That was the team. You're at Alan to and at first as sort of Stup me knows that because I was playing to Scotland's one of the Youth Scotland's nineteen, I think it was, and it was like, looking back, it was like actually quite big time to go. I'm not playing there, but the manager said, look, you even go there are you're not going to get into my first team plans. As I right, I'll go there. Went there. It was the best...

...three months of ever probably could ever add in football. You know, you playing with lads you just part time, who just love it. Go Out, go for a few beers after the game. It was I mean it was a non league mentality, but it was just great and you just get kicked, elbowed in the face, stitches every other week, but it was where you learned, you trade, you know, and that was probably the catalyst for me getting Carlaile's team. The next loan I probably had, which was decent, and was so when I was at Cold Shiester, I was about two one and twenty two and I haven't played in a while. I remember sat in Cold Chester thing in like it was preseason. Played I was like I had to take three, I take five steps back here to start stepping forward again. I was like because I felt I'd fell away down there. I hadn't played. I it wasn't even that. I couldn't say to me, I couldn't say to myself. Or I'm not good enough, I'm not even I'd not even tried, you know, like I just needed to go and play somewhere almost proved to myself I was good enough to be to play a professional level, and I went along to Barrow and that was a bit similar to the Workington experience couple years later, and just played and done well and that led on to me next me, which was that our Clinton. Yeah, and just take that. Like you mentioned, I'll see him ring with Gary Medine. He's becoming quite a cool hero. But Paul as well. Sooth touch on here. I was he like to live with that? He's quiet there, quite a car, always a character here. Now I'll flipping out if you could be only for an hour chat and about the stories. But now he's very glad they still speak to him now, like he's one of the people that in football obviously play lords different loves, but like if I was to speak about a group of people, he'd be definitely one of them, because he's one who, like all literally came through the ranks with we shared a flipping room that, honestly, it would like be smaller than a spare bedroom. M You know, it's just but yeah, character, good player, like you always knew he was going to like go on and have a good career. But yeah, proper character. Funny, is what Leman. He's never been prolific. So when we signed him, I thought it's not really a gold scorer. It looks like an average player, but then when you would see him play, is just controlling his touch. He's big and strong as more and just the target. Man. Is a brilliant football isn't he's like he's clearly challenge level. So that muster stat that when he was it was coming through, like I say as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you playing it. I mean even now, all the big men I've played against, all different shapes and size, he's the best touch of a big man I've ever seen, you know. And he's clever. Brings others play a players into play and he can and he can score a goal like he's finishing his good so good in the air. He's got it's got all the tools. So for me he's he's top draw. Yeah, it's good, mom so accus in sound it's like eighty four parentss. Think you had a few goals there as well. Obviously had a good time. They're just by the obviously number of pearances. How did the black hole a loan move come about? It's because you're playing well there and they try to come in and take it from back in Samley. Yeah, so, so then. Obviously then I could. I was just a perfect club for me's obviously what we spoil about before, but bit of like a I don't know what the word is, nomadic start maybe to my career, like up down round about, and but I always looked at it and I was like right, I'm out about this chaotic period. But I was still only like twenty two is a center off now. Twenty two is a center off for me now. He's still a baby, you know. And I always looked at it then, even though I was going through that period wh abs couldn't play, I was like if I can nail somewhere down here, like I know I can become what I feel like a become. So I was like twenty two and Accrington sort I just came out because I've done well at Barrow Northwest Club that then came up the that opportunity and it was just like it was just perfect. To find too, a great dressing room and...

I've done I think there was eighty four league game, but I think a play ninety two names on the spin every minute. So it was just exactly what I needed in a two year period. And then it was always a case. So I was my contract was running down and there was various clubs. Then, you know, I was doing what I knew you guys doing all right, because then therese clubs and agent stands getting touch and I stats make a name for myself at Acrington and there was a few clubs. Then I've met a couple of managers. That was lead. I met Lee Johnson, who at the time was at Oldham, and then Barnsley you went to. I met Swindon manager at the time, but then I wanted to stay in that northwest and already moved down south. I was like northwest and then out of nowhere black pool came in and you I was is really because what pool actually it was. I went Alan just to play on that one, the one of the Games in the championship. Just a bit was actually on the bench and I was like you just look Stupa at alone and it and I does. When it got announced that black pool of alone to player from Accreton, it did look on paid powers a blackpool fan I'd be like what's going on here? You know, but, but, but, yeah, and it was just what I would say that's like from Black Pool's point of view. That that was it was. You actually announced this, you did paid money for me. There was the only something on long for that game. And then they're going to whatever. They paid the money and everything. So yeah, but anyway, the long came about, the move came about and I was just buzzing. You know, northwest big club. I've been to watch black pool before. I played and not played at there, but I was just buzzing. I remember driving over on like a it was during the week to having medical and Auvius the stadium and I was just over road by and just so excited to get started. Really Yeah, I was going to be in there that time. It's really playing that season. Then he gary wasn't there that time. Gary Wasn't there when I first went there. But it was the period when obviously it was just chaos in the championship. You know, there was clipping players coming in everywhere, like even looking back now, it was the most chaotic period of ever would been in it. It was like for training groups there was players left, right and center and you like and the team like not disrespectful to the players within that group, like some of them obviously with decent but somewhere nowhere near championship level, like and that got through. One that got that got severely shown. Yeah, we and Peter Clark on here, who spoke about obviously started at the start of that season and played all that championship year. And he was saying there was, yeah, so many different coaches and players and things like that. And Yeah, so many foreign players who came in and went up to scratch and I think constern words were said throughout that season. So, yeah, sounds like just a mix of different characters run. Oh, it's just carnage. And I remember I'm Ab debut at home to forest and we drew three all and I actually got sent off in the game. But up to the sending off, like I was actually having a decent game. So like overalled that sort of, you know, the whole thing and were free all its tape tit chot game. I remember playing at Bloomfield and the pitch was literally like a you wouldn't even want the dog on it, you know, it's that bad light. I think it all for was it a game? That's forest one or for you? That was it. That was it. Yeah, and they just go in that game as well. But I don't I don't know. I didn't score. Now I didn't score, but but it was it was just a chaotic game at it all. And then I think I played six games in the championship then and, to be fair, like felt like we were starting to get states. But there look, there was no stability to the team. It was just chopping and changed every week, like those players coming in from everywhere. It we just got no continuity and you could just see it was just like rich. So we need to just just draw a line under this season. And, to be fair, I got picked up an injury towards that end of the season. It was no one likes to get injured, but that was the time when I was like I'm happy to actually just get injured and get ready for the next season, you know. But Yeah, look, all in all that look like and...

...being part of some of the team's and clubs that have been a part of since. Like it was utterly a shambles, like it was just it was ridiculous, you know, in it, and I can understand from a fans point of view, our you would be writing, you know, the end of the game and put on the pictures chaos as it was. You can understand the reason, you know. Yeah, and you'd said when you were acting to and then you were thinking you want to previous Elf and show what you can do. So at that time, what we aspirations were thinking get a football league career, a we're thinking get towards the top, or what? Always your aspiration. The time when I was actuing to know when I signed with Black Pool, both really so, before I can tell us more, you would have been thinking, yeah, sure, you can play first team football when you and then after those a couple of years. Or we thinking, as you meet, to Blackpool as well. Yeah, like for me it was like right when I got Acclinton, I just felt with him myself, that I was like right now I'm starting to show the player that I can be. And I knew when I played in league to like I felt I was better than that level. So it was like right, and need to now step ups. That's the next level, which I felt obviously would be our league one or the championship, and I was fortunate enough to get the opportunity to go to black pool the championship, but I was unfortunate that the job the team that I joined, you know, and I'm not blaming other people, but to go into a championship team there that was just nowhere near a championship team was difficult and it was just a difficult environment to join. I remember I remember first day going in and there was like three training groups to the first team training group. There was a training group that had been told that they weren't involved and there's a training group that had been told to leave the club and they running whatever time, you know. So it was just chaotic and to cook and to walk into that for me was just like what is going on here? What is going on? And, as I say, I was just looking forward to rebuilding and go again the next season. Yeah, so those two years are pretty tabling. Obviously we're not going down to league one and I may see what I can. How do you find it without the fans and a sort of, like I said, the fans right into all in the Games. And so how how did that affect the players all? Did you just concenter on the job at hand? Obviously, the championship year I couldn't really feel much a part of it. For me it was a bit of a world when I just joined from Accrington to Blackpool, which is obviously a huge move, and I just felt like it was just I knew that the next year into league one, they would only be not even like a ten of the players remaining in that in the in the dressing room. So I knew it was like right, we need to have a full clear out and start again from scratch, you know. And then obviously, going into league one there was a complete clear out and but we did sign some good players in that league. One year we signed Brad Pots, obviously knows at Preston it's one of Me Good Mates, Mark Colin, obviously striker Jack Red Shaw and then obviously, if you in in around it, for me there was still not enough quality. And, like you credit the club because they spent money on some good players. They bought, they paid money for plays. It wasn't just like they were sounding freeze. They paid money for players, but they just wasn't enough of it, you know, it was like, and there was a few loans and stuff like that. But the League one season for me frustrates me more than anything at black will because it was the period when we're still leading on from the back of the championship year of fans writing chaos outside at the grounds going in. I remember like a family getting stuff flipping frown at them and all that, and I understand there was some fans of supported. It seems there was some fans that would just completely almost using the whole oyston thing to go to vent the frustrations at the weekend, you know. And so I don't count all Blackpool Fans in that sort of pee because there was funs that were so supportive, you know. But yeah, the one thing that's for straight about that lead one year is like I felt personally, if I look back even my career now, that league one years probably one of my best individual years I've ever played. I'd got like five goals that season. I had...

...like the one couple of the player the months within the League and I remember playing at burn all be in a way and I just one league one player of the month for January, off whatever and we got beat one nil and like I couldn't give it anymore. Like after the game, I'd got up front the last five minutes, got kicked. We don't even beat one mill and I just remember there was some Blackpool fans band the golden like booing and like screaming at me, saying you're not fit to weather shirt. And that was the dout of flip the topmos shot of the visit and I was just like the and it was like and not. That's why I'm it was like there was some fans that would actually get behind the team and there was some fans that we're almost use using the old ice and thing just to vent, not even just about footballers, about life in general and just going out of players. But I can understand now doing as a team. But I felt for me Percy that year. I gave everything, you know. Yeah, and it was it was tough to take sometimes, I'll be honest. It was hard. And that end of that league one year, like I know there was I think Bolton were interested in me and I was like, I'll be honest, I was like I'd I'd go with that opportunity came up, but with with black pool, the time little they did, the the options, you know, the sweat an option on me for men a year. The old option kicked to know where. Honestly, I was like I was ringing everyone to ask what this fucking option meant and it just didn't mean any other than ever the year we cont it. So yeah, it was really time. You must have felt regretted joining the club, do you think? At that time? I've maybe at that time when you obviously we're get any abuse from the fans and things like that. You given it all. But yeah, it was any point where I thought I've made the wrong move here was always imorgest thinking this is a stepping down to it was still right decision taking that step up the football league. Yeah, look, football, I like you. There was a bit of bobs around you. There was a bit like, look, I've gone to another club and I'm now wrapped up another fifty to fifty odd games for a good club like black pool, and I felt like I'd improved as a person and I was improved as a player, although it was tough. It was tough I was playing in a higher league. But yeah, I'll be honest with you, remember, we're going to we would traveling down to Peterborough and we needed to win and hope a result would go our way to stay in the leas. We won and the black pool water tight ACCLINGTON were in lead to just about to if they there were one mill up and if they stayed at one mill they would have gone up automatically. And at that point I was thinking, Oh my God, if they go up and we go down, like this has been a flipping travesty, like because you just like it was like this is just not really happening. And Anyway, they didn't go up that year. The actually they got beat in that game. They got beat in that game and then we got we got relegated as well. We got relegated to Peterborough, which was yeah, that was it was like, like I say to you, like like I made a mistake because I was now back in the league that had left. You know. Yeah, but I felt, as I say, I felt I'd done nothing individually to get out of that situation. But then that obviously kicked in just an I mean from from an outside perspective looking in. You know, we've been in the Premier League, be in the championship and what we're seeing in front of our very eyes was really hard to take. I mean obviously I remember David Ferguson became a captain and it was about twenty years old, was it? And obviously McDonald the manager as well. It seemed like this. Like I say, the Club is spending money in one area. So the sign strikers like Colin and red short and then the doing crazy things like that. So what was it lot? Is that something new saw as well in terms of like the inconsistency of running the club? Oh, absolutely solutely. I was like, I've got more stories on that. So in that preseason and Neil McDonald turned up and played me right if you play me right back, and I was like I'm never be an I'm...

...honest, I've never been a right back in my life, you know, and it's playing me right back in preseason. So obviously I was like the rains on the wall are like and he's probably doesn't want to I'm not his first chap choice. Center off. I'm played Lloyd Jones Center off. It was online from Liverpool, or thought he was okay, and who else was? And we signed Emerson Boys, and it well right. I'm sure he was a right back to be play coming. He played right back and then and then Clark Robinson, who was a DC center after end up. I'm a great pat with, but initially like he wasn't playing me. I was just like this. And then he made David Ferguson captain and that was an announced on Sky Sports and I think you could see but everyone's face on the sky sports it was like this. I thought Jeremy Beal's turn up, because it was what is going on it but like, like it was just and that's the thing. It was like, this is just not real. And I could understand from Blackpool fans looking it. Not only did you have like the whole hierarchy situation of the oysters, it was like some of the on field decisions that we're getting. We're just like what you and I'll be honestly, there was a group was, though like that. Good Lads, you have had good careers myself, but I pots bright as say Samuel. I think David Norris was that the time was good for good pro Colin, Colin, Doyal, goalkee. But like some good pros and even ones have got like very good careers. Now we were looking at each other going we've just made David Ferguson kept and he's played six career games. You know, it's like laughable, is it's? Yeah, I was looking him. He's, like I said, it's thinking what's going on? But how the mining is players? That probably UNMARRE experience and that's happened. Yeah, imagine that fact in more all quite quite badly. Yeah, yeah, you and captain a youth on the when you at Carlisle. Obviously, if captain other clubs. You captain at Brisbane at the moment. To you must have seen yourself as a bit of a natural leader and one of the main men in the dressing removed, would say, the previous season, unlike a lot of players. He must have thought you must tell yeah, my heart, you say that news. When you found out who was? Well, how did you? How did you find out? Was On sky sports that you found out. What's we're all nuget. We're at Sky Sports, at the training ground. I don't know if, though, they still trend there. You know, the training ground games. Yeah, and it's flipping. You know, it's like down there, winds blowing a gale and the sky sports team there and the lads are like renounced in the captain and one of the lads, nudge Mesan, is yours. It's not mean, I know. Just call him. Does it's you? He's going, it's not me, and anyway else wasn't. It was only like them to you could think of. And I said to pots, it must be you that. He's like no, no, it's not me. That's like. Who is it then? And then he said David Ferguson and lads, just like I remember up put it back on Sky Sports and everyone's laugh. Other eyes are just like what is, what is going on here? It's crazy in it like I mean like he's Nice love for you, like we's playing the flipping in the rhyme and Lee's you know, don't you know me? Like just just doesn't make sense. Yeah, so I'll cutter. In fact, I think he's actually don't know, I think you might be at higher pool now, but yeah, I think he's got some maybe as well. You know what those be? Fer to Ferg you like I think he had that. He went and he went away at a low league career, but now he's think he's come back up in yet there was, there was, there was talented. He's these are player, but you know, to go into that as a captain. It's just it was loot. It was stupid of the manager and put him in a silly position. Yeah, well, I thought the sky's walls were interested. It shows that it was unusual and newsworthy. So if quite interesting that they found out before the players as well. I think comedy goal with there as well. Yeah, I'm really and so obviously a very tough couple of years you. You're now in league to back to the relegations. Wondering that's why I made that move, and also the fact of your contract been next end. It's he got another twelve months the game. What was it like...

...that? But is that your lowest point at Blackpool and how did it go from there to comment in that season getting promoted when we as well? Yeah, a couple things really so ill we say. I was in that period where I was like I was looking elsewhere, but then funny love Gary Bowya then gets a pointed and I was on ally at the time. I think it was in Jamaica and a ladder. Met over there. Random guy from Bolton I'd got chatting with said to you on dare your managers. You just got mousters us. The manager says, Gary Boy. I knew Gary Boys going back to me time when, as a black paint he was the youth team manager. So literally five minutes later my form rings. It's Gary Boy, you and he just asked me where my head was that and I said to him, look, I'll be honest with your flipping. I'm not sure, to be honest with you, with what's gone on in this last eight team months. It's been Kalt. He says, well, I want you to be a part of it. I don't think get back to me and I said, well, look, I'm in for preseason. I'll see you when I'm back. That was that and, to be fair, when he came in he addressed it and there was a different feel to it than they had been in the past. But I'd known black pool for eighteen months and I knew what was surrounding the place and it wasn't an easy task to turn things around. It really wasn't. But I, like Gary get on, gotten really well with him and did before, and I did have a good feel of it. However, then we went to lead to season and there was another total down and before everything turned around and that was we started that season okay, and then I think about five to ten games and we went away to Accrington and slipping it. We went away to Accrington and we were one mill up, cruise in the game and then they've scored and then the last minute it's like a ball. It's got cut back and it's clip my finger and the rest given a pen and we got beat to on Accrington and their fans are singing my name and I was like this is just like the lowest allow and I think we were near the bottom a league to then, and it was at that point I was like surely not. Like it just felt like everything that could have gone wrong had gone wrong and I was like right, we have to. We would just turn this round now. There's no other option. And we're in. At seven o'clock that morning on the Sunday, Gary brought us into Bloomfield and we watched the video back, but I remember looking around the change room I was thinking we've got too many good players here in the League to to be here, you know. Yeah, and then all of a sudden it just we just started to build a bit of momentum and in after Christmas then flipping at the team we had then, was was very, very good. And you look at the team then that we had, which is a shame really, because I know black potle obviously turn out their championship club now and championship players and all that. But I still feel if we'd have kept that lead to club together, lead to team together, we would have. We wouldn't. It wouldn't have took us too long to get to be involved, maybe near the champion, into the championship in the next year or so, because we had a team of like myself, Clark, Robertson, Williamson was okay, goalkeeper, win back pot see bright, I say, Samuel, and kept like we just had a team that was good, good players, a good group which worked. You know, I'm an Underli was there as well when I'm on was there. Yeah, I'm a flipping handful. And Yeah, we just started to build. You could feel like we're just a team in the ascendancy and it was a case of life. We was almost like if we getting these players were winning. The transpired in that playoff final. You were the standing captain. Were Yeah, and you limp off with a the Achilles injury. Did you know it gone that, you know that was it and you're think you're quite visibly up seven. You when you're leaving the pitch. What's going for your mind then? Yeah, so all like from March onwards that year, like I said, I played. I played every game that year, so I was up to like fifty, fifty, at fifty plus games. Going into the...

...semi final. We played a looting at all and then looting away, which still to this the looting away games still this day the best game I've ever played in like it was just unbelievable. Like we're think we remember that game. Got It went to so when I could get it was five it. It was three, three, one to them at their place and there was like fifteen minutes to go and I remember like swinging for a ball. I was like it felt like it was just going to be an long goal. I was like if this goes in the that I'm off. I'm just going off and that'll been be done and obviously be future is in the ECCENTS and new contract. I was out of contract. They, the club, of try had to get me to sign a new one, but I didn't want to sign for an at LAE to club. You know, I was a bit weird if we didn't go through the playoffs. What I said. You know, I never anyway swung to that bat ball at Kendal worth and literally the bullet over the bar. I was like right, let's just hang in there and meet the Achilles was hanging off like it was literally like I was getting like cramps right through the calf. Anyway, carried on and that game was Bumblie. We've finished and won in that the last minute and it's the best. You couldn't create that feeling ever again. You know, it was. It was amazing. But yeah, going into that game at when, when knew I would struggle like we had. I think there's like a ten deputed, but I was just struggling the week before try to keep the body and then I remember being at Wembley thinking I don't know I'm going to last year, but I was never going to not play. You know, I think I got twobout thirty five minutes and to be fair, that day actually probably helped us in the formation because we played against ex and they we were playing, obviously our three at the back which we played all season, but they only played one strike and if you play one strike, I always think player back for because I don't know if you watch the United City game last night, but when you play it back five against slipping one or zero strikers, in that case it doesn't works, then spare men. Anyway, long story shot, it worked because I come off, went to a backfoth and we bought bright on and we won the game and we got promoted. So it was like it was unbelievable feeling, obviously, to captain the club at Wembley and get promoted. It was amazing and it was I think it was like me a hundred and fifth game for the club. So it was, it was. It was amazing for it was because great and yeah, real honor on one thing, one of the probably proudest moments of my career, to if a yeah, and but pool fans of that point were quite split. So somewhat some didn't want to see the club promoted because obviously it would reward the owner ship and mean that they stay for longer, whereas others. I mean personally, I wasn't sure. I was kind of cheering you on, but then, yeah, is that feeling of I've not been for a couple of years so and then the's some that really, you know, really wanted to win and actually went to Embley. So how did that transpire to the players added that feel? Was it just sign telling you every thinking about it and you just cele framing the fans that we're there, or I did it feel? Yeah, look, the whole that year is difficult to run because the previous two, as we said, it was it was chaos that there was every reason not to support black pool in terms of what was going on on and off the pitch. However, that year, I'll be honest, was frustrating for as a player, because it was like we were giving it everything we'd. We turned back, like it was back to back relegations and like if like, I know we and that's probably one of the where black pool are now. I still think that year was a was huge, you know, to get black pool where that because because it was championships, league want league once league too and if they dis stay in the league too for much longer, it could have been, you know, disastrous. But the fact and the amount lay back out into league one, which is a good legally, when we know that was a great achievement and that's what was frustrating to the players is that, look, were on the cusp of just doing this and all the new players were there's only myself. We've been there in the championship. It that that's team. It's all the new players were a bitten shocked by it. But but I could understand from the fans perspective. was there, their view and it I get. I got it. I got it because I'd seen them previous two years wherea as players just in that year were like, hang on a minute, we're at Wembley with flipping...

...winning games. You know, we're about to get promoted and there's no fans it and and there's only like six thousand. But to be fair to the six those that were there there are pretty amazing that day because I know ex I'd like Twentyzero. But we made all the noise and we got the result and I was it was it was a great day. But Yeah, look, it would have been great to see the full the orange of like Wembley, but wasn't to be. But now I'm great day, definitely, and you know it say, looking back now, totally the correct thing because, like, I think the fans appreciate what Gay Body did and what that group of players did, because they say it could have been disastrous when Simons hadlow eventually took over. Even if you would have taken a league too, would have been a wouldn't be in the position we're in now, whereas the way the club was left was on the cusper of the championship, striking distance to get back, and obviously they got there within a couple of years. So it's clearly there's a lot to be thankful for for that group. So and showed him in history, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. Like you look at teams like Portsmouth, you've got in to lead to and they've struggled. They struggle for years to get our lead to. It's not an easily to get out because, as you know, the football that in that league is not as fluid as probably what you'd say, and sometimes getting the results it's harder than the performances and will. We were very, very we done well as a group and get, I think Gary Boyd's over, a huge amount of credits to not just getting the results and putting a team together to do it, but actually changing the mentality within the club, because it was literally in freefall. You know, if it was. It was like someone jumping off off off a cliff but stopping them dropping. You know, it was just like there wasn't just it would just continue to start. And, like I say, the end for me was that I quitting game. And after I don't know, I just felt it turned, and when it felt it turned, it was like clipping that we're going here and then that's what I'm saying. If we could have kept that team together and kept that group together, I think we could have gone again, you know, but it wasn't to be. And but yeah, look, I'm glad now that the what we did is force now the club to be in the position it's in today. Yeah, just touching ane Guy Bo. Yeah, do you feel like he was one of the best? Or it's not the best man you've worked under? Or is it? If there is someone else, who is that and why are they that sort Tom Manager? Yeah, no, he's definitely up there. Deaf good manager, good, good, man manager, good, good, makes tough decisions but makes them well. Isn't afraid to make the hard decision, which sometimes managers. Our manager I work with it well, the world was very good. Stephen Robinson's attention to detail was fantastic. He's at more COMEB now. I think he was unfortunate not to get a top move in his time at mother well. I think he was close to become a northern island manager. is very good attention to detail. So there too, that probably stick out for me. But yeah, and now. Yeah, them too, definitely the ones ones for me. What about in the dressing room with a big characters in that league two season? That helped turn it around. You must cut your health in there. But any others who thought, you know what? But you say you've got too much quality. Yeah, manager, let's let's get the league by Scul of. Then I can make make a go of it. Yeah, there was. It was I think we had with there was myself. Clark Robertson was the center after it was good. Could talker. Jim mcallister was a good, good honest pro Neil Dan's. We signed him in January and was brilliant. Obviously Brad Potts column was good. Kylver cell was a good striker for us that year and scored goals and being which done all around solid team and good characters blood that I still speak to now. But South Ann so obviously said we...

...if we could have kept that group together, you could have done good things. And obviously I lent to yourself leaving as well then going to bury. So that move come about? What was your thought process there and why didn't you why didn't you stay? Why did you leave it? And how did that move to bury come by yourself? Yeah, and they're so there's I'm fair looking forward to share this and share's your black pool funds, because it's always been like a wider foot. Did you leave? You know? So my take on it was the club came to me about six months before, in January, to say want to send new contract, but I was like, well, I don't want to sign it for really to you know, I was like I felt like again didn't want to be in that league. I said, let's see where we go. So we see. Then we get we fast forward six months. We get promoted captain the side of Wembley and it was like it felt like home. It was honestly like black pools now started to fill at home. It was like, and I felt like if we're into league one, more fans would come back for the door and I always felt in time that the oistins would leave and the fans would come back. I knew it was going to happen. I knew it would happen and I knew it had to happen. I just didn't know when. You know, and as a player, you like or I don't. I don't. I don't want to sign wait for years. It's happens in the fifth year. You know. So I was a bit like anyway, we get promoted, the club bring me in and you Berry wanted me and bury. At the time where I tracked signing players like left Friend Center and obviously trying to have an attempty into the championship. Barry was literally ten minutes down the road from me the trend at Carrington. So that was a sort of pull. But still I wanted to stay at black pool. Specially on that promoted the offered me another two year contract with an option, so like a three year contract, which was good. It was, it was a good it was a good contract. Was it was probably as good as what they could get to in league one and it gave me a lot to think about and I went away that summer and just out of rest. And then I'll be honest with you that the fear for me was staying at Blackpool was just not knowing what the situation would be like outside the club. I'd had three years of like fans not to turn all I felt like the gratitude for meself as a hot as a three not the three years, but maybe the two years lead one and two and the team in lead to wasn't like there wasn't enough. I didn't feel an awful of to be like to really really want to stay in that because I was like, but I understood it, I got it. So I was like it was like a double edged sword. However, the offer came through from Barry and I went to black pool and I said, look, like, literally like it. I wanted like do it wasn't even like a financial think it would just like I think it was almost the option year or something. It was just some it was the most maderinal thing ever and that's what I left it. So I was like, if it's because this is answer script. So I didn't want to join Barry but I didn't want to leave black pool. So I was like caught in between. It was like and there was a few teams in Scotland that wanted me, but there was nothing like really stood out that wanting me to make me to leave black pool, but there was something inside with it, just the situation or all around the club. was like I was worried and I was also worried that I knew Brad pots. I knew that was there, was interesting him. So I thought he could leave, a new bride could leave, and I was like if I didn't have enough belief in the club to keep that group together, and add visions of like signing a three year contract and a year in everything being capitulated again, and I was like I didn't want to be another capitulated situation which was in when I started. Yeah, you know I mean, and then have to go for the whole rebuild, rebuild phase again and I was like I can't do that again. So I'll be honest with you. Like whatever's happened to berries? Happened to bury?...

I don't know, but like every if you want to touch on that, we can such in the next question. But I didn't really want to go to Berry. I didn't. I love black P and I still loved black pool when I left Berry. I was like I said some moment that I was, I don't know, least to do something that let's fate decide what's meant to be and I rang the tie. At the time, ever, is in Cha add director of football, and I said a lot this needs changed on the contract, something thing. It could have been the option year or it could have been something else, and I remember them saying they're not budging it and I was like, you know what, like I've just I've just put I've played over hundred games that for the club I've kept in the side at when Bill I was pretty much the captain, lead to to get the mind to league one. Not going to budge on something like that. I was like that just it's so it's such like a rugging way, like some in any business, sometimes you need to move the goal post for certain individuals and I felt I was one of those individuals. But they didn't and I was like that's the reason for me now to go to berry and I left it. I was absolutely good, like I was like I didn't want to let him want to go and even berry players, well, you never shot B black pool. I was like Er Bobby Mates with Blackpool or me mates like the people had got just gone to war with and got promoted with and done all that I was leaving them and it was hard, it really, really hard. Bought fast forward. It was I just knew there's something inside of me that if I went to berry like I could have got out a berry, whereas it black pool. I knew if I signed three years, I'd have been there for three years and I just didn't know what that three years would I look like with with them in charge. Yeah. So, yeah, it makes perfect sense. And, like you say, for the taken option now and it was two years. Yeah, you know, after chance to you know, you had a one season in league one at least you could you senior power to keep them up and you're probably end up with both seasons in league one or maybe another season league too, at worse, but then you're out of the contract, whereas in three years it's anything kind. So makes perfect sense. And I moved to bury. I think from the top level I was it. I probably thought he's gone. The sounds wouldn't have thought why is it leading? Because we're used to losing players like who would want to play? It was in the first place, but then obviously going to bury probably wasn't. It's not a it's not a bigger club. Is it. It's not like, from my perspective, I didn't think it was a massive opportunity. It was the sideways move, arguably, wasn't it? So it's interesting that you went to bury, but you have any regrets and and that move, or do you think it was about decision for you at that time? Yeah, yeah, just before answer questions touching on that, that's the what you just said, that there was exist. Probably the reason I left is that the fact that they weren't willing to negotiate minimally for me. It was, at the time the club captain. I was thinking then, I'm going to negotiate minimally for me to keep, me to stay. They're not going to get negotiate middle and, yeah, minimal and Brad pots to stay, all bright or account the other top, other good players that we need to keep, and I was like that I know what's going to happen. Those players going to leave and I'm going to get caught into a contract here where I'm going to be part of something. That's what I've just stared in the last three years and that was the whole reason, you know. So yeah, no, moving forward, went to bury. I was on a free sort just went there and sat a signed for two years there and honest our watch and door and obviously when I first went there was at carring to the train of man cities all training ground. It was great players with with the door. Durman, Beckford, Chris McGuire, Jo show you. I'm within now a year. There was some top, top players that were like well, on paper it would was great, you know, but I remember actually playing first preseason game. I said up a giggle and I was like this is Shit, all this. It's fucking like bloomfields. Great, I like Bloomfield, you know. It was just like I was like what of I come here and I was just to the first like few months. I was like I'll just it was hard because we need built such a bond with the club. I'd been there for three years and at the lands and what I'd been through. It was like now I'm signing it. It would just it was hard and it was almost like I feel...

...bad saying it because like I respect Barry Fans, I respect berries of football club and I understand what they were trying to do, but that in football that doesn't necessarily work. Just putting a load of good players in it would and it was. It was chaotic. Was a chaotic period and I played for the first six months. I actually remember coming back to Bloomfield road. I get we're burying it was it was hot. That was hard. So yeah, but now I had six months there and then I was probably a one of the lucky ones. I went out on and then I don't I spent the rest of that two year contracts at lawn, at Motherwell. Yeah, and it was actually quite a guy they wasn't. I the same. So the you know, Rember, but pole on you it briefly, so as either motive impact to go there. Yes, I had. So clarky sign me, went out in the championship and I don't know, I'm not even had really. I never really work with him because I got injured bout six games in and obviously the situation he was in, I think we've could have had jos a radio managing that year and it was way which different. Yeah, Lee Clark went there and obviously he was given an open check book to sign players and it was it wasn't feasible for a club like Barry and that's why they are where they are now. I don't don't just think it's that season. I think it's the way the manager in previous seasons. But there needs to be some sort of structure to a club. A club that's bringing in three and our four thousand fans can't be paying like championship wages. You know, it's just not it's just not going to start. Any business would fail under those sort of circumstances, you know. But yeah, Clark, he was the one who, you do, took me there. Yeah, it's not massively. I thought I was from my fool funds. I don't think Lee Club, but obviously like to say it was a bad but are in the club. Wasn't it wasn't much you could on. But yeah, yeah, a little lost now, I don't think. Yeah, no, no, so then, yeah, just chat, talking through you. Obviously moved to mother well, and and then, yeah, obviously that moved to off fail as well. How did he said at the start of our chat that Blackpool was one of the highlights of your career really in terms of it stabuilding there and and promotion as well. So yeah, yeah, moving on from there really. Yeah. So, so done the like about six done from start season July through to January at Berry we'd had three managers, thirty five players and it was just chaos and I I was I was wise enough to realize that I didn't want to be part of it. This was like right, this ship is this ship's landing on the ste ocean floor, like I need to jump off this before I can well, I've got flipping oxygen, you know. And that there was a few clubs that come in from the wizard. There was Luton and there was mother well and a couple of the Scottish teams and don't know, it was just weird. It was just I just more the world just just hit out of me. Ill. Spoke to the manager. I was like, you know what, now like it just the opportunity just great. I just thought right, perfect. It was Glasgow, so it wasn't like some of these other clubs are miles away out in Scotland, but that was one of the ones that was just north. It's like three or three hours from home, which is Manchester for me, and literally when I went there it was almost like I done from a change room which was so like acidic and bad energy, bad vibes. It reminded me of the Blackpool Year. And we're in the championship. It was just everything. Everything that was wrong with addressing room was it was like that and there's some good individuals, but as a team, as a Colector, it was off and you could have to see where they we're heading. But when I watching mother wells dressing it was a complete opposite. Great Lads, brilliant and I played. As soon as I started playing there almost made sense of why it wasn't meant to be that to stay at Blackpool. It was like this is the club I was meant to be at. Via Berry, you know. It was like that was the opportunity and that was the reason...

...why black pool wasn't meant to be. Is that I got the opportunities go and play up in Scotland, the SPL and absolutely loved it. Eighteen months played. We had some good players. They're I don't know if you know much about the SPLS. You Got Rangers and Celtic but outside of that sort of an even keel. But mother well when I was there, but well above our average, we got the cup finals, Scottish Cup final, and we played against some of the top team. I play some real good young players at their Davey Turnbull, who's now playing for set leaks, probably one of the best players I've ever played with and we were part of it. We're part of a group that done really, really well in an eighteen month period. Loved it. And Yeah, and that obviously let's hear you get into the move to Australia as well than I don't know if that was a fact that the's in your playing from other well or yeah, it was. Yeah, they see me plays. This is the op this is the advantage of players going to Scotland. For me, players out, as you know, championship, championship, Premier League Games are on scale all the time. For players in league one and two it's bit more difficult and they don't forget that opportunity or that exposure as often. And in Scotland I was playing on TV and I remember playing a game against hearts at what one o'clock. I remember playing really, really well and I remember speaking to Robbie and Tony and they knew about me anyway, but that was a game whether they'd been obviously watching a pub in Liverpool, probably somewhere, and I stood out to them. And obviously in football is the famous saying you never know who's watching and they were watching that day and that sort of led that move. But yeah, there was. There was various little bits of interest within Scotland and I sort of made a decent name and myself up there and it was, it was, it was great. And Yeah, like I say that that moved Australia came about. It was, as I say, out come out in nowhere and when I just felt like when an opportunity like that comes, they don't come around very often in football and I have to take it. Just got some quick fire questions then now, probably for up rather this up STARTF with. WHO's the like the hardest shrike that your face against as a defender? Movest of them, Ballet Ting off that as yeah, quality, flier, good. The best player or teammate you played with a plot pool? Probably probably you like it Potsy, pots he was brilliant that year in league double. Isn't a player just if pressed as and they sighed up canti anymore? Oh Yeah, he's your best mate in football. So I can be at anybody's basic football probably a probably potsy and Mark Galespie, goalkeeper. I was at mother well with and I've been with him at Carlile as a kids. I probably them too. It was the best trainer at but pool, because I would expect there were some bad trainers during it's I there as well. So Hu still, Ye, nick, professional. You, mcallister, was very Jim mcallister was was honestly one of the fittest guys I've ever seen. He was lady who he was in there in lead yelly one and lead two. Yeah, Jim mcallister. So we probably the he's probably one of the best trainers I ever seen. You. And final question. They'll feel prescous say black Paul in this, but who's yea favorite copy of playful, but pills be favorite in England. How's that? Yeah, like that. More obviously mentioned that you knew it. Do Light Championship is keep an eye out for and much was playing things like that. Oh Yeah, yeah, I was watched. Look look out for the results. It's just good to watch. Now I watched the lights and see bloomfield actually like fallen, buzzing. You know, it's so refreshing to see because so many games I've played then it was just like a flipping it was just dead, you know, but now look it's but you know what I would say if you want. I did play that. It was quite dead. It was. It was...

...the atmosphere. You could still feel what it would be like if it was full, you know. Yeah, Oh my moll you's definitely well thought of from Black Pool fans and we've got a lot of thanks to you in that group from, like you say, got us, got us out of that league and took us up got going again really. So you definitely well thought of from but pool funds perspective. So thanks again for the efforts with the time of the club. Yeah, no, thanks a pretychure. I love it. Like I said, love me time and, like I said, it wasn't necessarily that I want had anything against the club to leave. It was just that the time and of it all, you know, and I even sometimes say like if, if the time it would have been different, would I probably be here or would up still being? Would I still be in black will because actually remember the same time, Mrs like, for was to stay, we would have looked at maybe buying somewhere up in like latherm area and living there, because a lot of Larry you know. So now I look, it wasn't meant to be, but not still still look up the results and very fun and very thankful of the memories that I had. Those was great, man. Thank you very much. And Yeah, I think a lot of players do that, don't they don't have a move tell of them and thanks. So, yeah, yeah, enough. Well, thanks for becoming on. Obviously it's quite late in the Australian now, so will let you go, but really appreciate you taking the time to chat to us in the book with here. Rest your career. Yus, mate. Thanks, obviously. To get more involved with fan reaction, Paul News and further competitions, make sure that you sign up to our Bob Page and also follow our social media page. It's on twitter and facebook. I.

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