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Episode #45 Kaspars Gorkšs Talks Tangerine

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Kaspars Gorkšs spoke to hosts Tom Johnson and Conor Hamiliton about his time at Blackpool F.C. Kaspars told us how he felt when he achieved his dream of playing in the Premier League, how he felt when his previous teammates achieved that dream at Blackpool before he did and the strange way in which he left due to a release clause which was picked up by QPR.  

Welcome to the one to podcast by you TMP. We had great camera. I think the fan player relationships incredible. It's the best changer in by mile that I've been in theven kind of things made the team stronger, made the bond stronger, made kind of playing to the club that kind of strange a little bit more enjoyable, a small unbelief with tality group, who was just absolutely like a tangently unstoppable force. What come back to the second season of YOU TMP pods. Just let you know we still have plenty of prints and mugs available. Telepos improve our content further and keep us running. Thanks you continue support so far. Welcome to episode forty five of the UTMP podcast. today's episodes were joined by Casper, Scots, and talks to us about his time in Tangerine. Casper's made Fifty League appearances football and scored six goals during his time on the seaside. Afternoon, caspers a doing? Hey, hey, hi, guys, I'm well. Yeah, all good, no complaint so far. Good man. Obviously our messages, so thanks for joining. I'm also with Connor today. Are these T MP team right? Comes me. You my pleasure, and so house housing to be going like, how's life? You retire now on you from football? It's not another few different roles and things? That last sounds I think thing imason like, you're right there. I've been retired for for I think two or three years. It's yeah, it's already been two or three years that retired from football. Had A couple of roles so far in my administrative jobs or, as we could say, football, active football afterlife. Most of the things I do are still still around sports, around football, because obviously that is something I know and I can I can share my experience. But in these conditions that we have now in Europe and in the Orld, in gentleman, that you are more more or less lucked in your own country and trying to trying to pick up new experiences, new knowledge, a bit of education. I finished my lawd degree finally, after twenty years, first relation. So yeah, so I've kept myself busy to not think about too much about my professional careers. It's always nice to catch up with the with you, you guys and the obviously my time in England was my favorite time in my professional career and that's something that it's still somehow as a very distant dream. My Cat all likes, if you want to know, he's something joining every conversation. I have apologies for that. That was that's something that is normal these days as well. Really see you go out, see the price of one here, cut you and your cat as a podcast. Yes, yeah, will send the marketing machine into a wild drive. Yeah, my cats. So, yes, so. So, in general, I'm keeping myself busy. Exactly. A lot of people come out of the game and they don't know what to do, but it sounds like you've obviously got a lot of things land up. Basically. Yeah, it's not like we show things to do. When you came out. You're have things planned in you in terms of being part of it. Not Be a national team set up behind the scenes. Obviously did you lot do as well, which is amazing to something to be other step straight into. It's something that I started in I think here to two thousand and I promised my mom that I will finish it at some point, and that is my only condition when I first went to play in Sweden, that she said that you make sure that you keep studying, and obviously I didn't do it when I work first went and became a professional, but I had to keep my promise. So the first one of the first things when...

...when I came back or retired. I came back actually earlier because I played last one and a half years in lots of we are but when I came back and retired that that I will finish my lad degree. It was not easy, but obviously the legislation is changed in twenty years, quite a bit so, but but I did money to do it this year. So I'm quite quite proud of myself for that because that's something that I think it's very, very, very important. Yeah, I mean, all right, well, we'll take things back to those at the beginnings. If so. All right. In terms of your early career, when you start getting started, a little bit recently, I think I don't know the time, but your dad's probably the chairman of your first club. Is that right? Yes, yes, you are right there. We actually had a quite emotional video as well, because it was twenty years ago when I first managed to get to the highest division with my my done youth club, to latter and highest division. It was as well he he found a vahess tape. It is to try to reconstruct events of twenty years ago. So it was quite fun. But yes, I started my career in f called out of which is the same as F see out or football club out. My Dad was always the big driving force behind my football career. He was always the one that pushed me towards football. One month tried to try to reason with me and and and steer me a different other directions, like dancing or drawing or tennis or stuff like that. But in the end I chose. I chose football and I to to be frank honest with you, I never thought I would be a professional, just something that I really liked doing. I started quite late as well. I was only twelve years old when I was started to training regularly. Obviously I was playing with my friends and then my last mates, but I never did go to a proper training session before I was twelve years old and went through all my youth years without without too much recognition as one of the most talented guys or one of the best guys in the team. But the one thing that I had was a was a huge passion for for for this game, and in the end, yeah, it ended up like that. I managed to fulfill my one of my my biggest and probably furthest dreams that I had playing and playing in England and playing in even in premiership. So so it's it's something that gets me emotional even now testing and I know a big part of your career was obviously moving to vance builds and playing in new AFA Cup here in your paying competition with them. You know, I do, was a known trouor against you castle a new way like which is obviously very impressive kind of how important was that experience for you in, you know, deciding if you wanted to play in England, attracting interest in English clubs? Can You? Can you talk is through how you think about that moment? It's there are not too many games actually after a long career, that you remember, remembered so vividly, but one of those games, or the special games, is Newcastle, both games home and away. Because, just to take you a bit back, back, back in my career, when I first went professional, I went playing three years in Sweden and...

...actually after three years in Sweden I decided that I will quit football. I was I was fed up emotionally because I had some issues of field, issues with would living abroad. I had a first kid on the way and I didn't feel too comfortable about it and I actually came back home to finish my career. And I sorry, I get three of us, this guy put. My apologies, but for some reason it's like a cat magnet. everysome call is like a cat magnet for some reason. But yes, I actually went went back count finish my career, to finish my studies and concentrate on something else rather than football. But by some luck, or maybe by clever manipulation again from my dad, I ended up in invents pills and when spill said that, at the point of time had had a Ukrainian manager, a very passionate guy, and he actually is the one that I had to thank a lot that actually stayed in football and ended up doing what I did and achieving what I did, because his passion, his dedication somehow got the spark back into me to play football, to actually try to achieve a try to go abroad again, which was not a great experience for for me before and but but the Newcastle game, away at Newcastle, it was a turning point in many, many ways, because I remember the first first was the season with advance bills, which was quite a successful and I played regularly, which I enjoyed. That was already, you can say, a step out of my my my football tiredness, if you would say. And then I remember the moment that we drew little Newcastle, which for me was fantastic because premier league was only always the the league that I follow very closely and it was. If I would say what what would be my dream as a professional football player, that would be playing in England, not exactly in Premier League, but in England in general. And I remember with that when we got Newcastle, this was it was one of the most excited, exciting evenings in my life. And and but when we actually went, we lost one nil against against new guys lot home were probably the biggest challenge was with who you're going to swap the shirts after the game. But then when you went went to play away in newcast led, just remember that feeling went when you go out of the tunnel and you see the full stands of people and this noise coming straight into your face. That was the moment when I said that this is something that I would would love to do and what love to achieve in my in my in my career. And then I had a huge contrast when I went back and we had the next game in Latin Championship. We played in one of the outsiders in the highest division and it was I think twelve people in the stance and half of them were playing cards and that's it. And I thought now I somehow I have to have to get back when I was where I was for four days ago, and it was huge, huge motivation for me. I remember that. It's from that moment on I thought that I should, I would like to try and do maximum to actually go play in England. I was not that naive that I would say that I would...

...go to premier league straight away or I would I would attract the interest from some of the big clubs, but England in general, where you have fans, where you have atmosphere, when where you have football is is a huge passion. That that that is my passion as well, and for me this is this, this became an absolute goal for me. And so a lot of people talk about time and in football and you've obviously a luded to that. there. So amazing that you were thinking you wanted to move to England. At the same time black pool were getting the investment from a lot of being investor and looking for a lot the employers. So how did you first hear about that interest? Do you have all the options at the time? And what did you know about black pool before you honestly signed? We had quite good coverage of black book because, like you mentioned, one of the Latvian businessmen was involved or in Black Pool Football Club, which became as a talking point in Latvian and Baltic states in general, and Black Pool came to one of the training camps in the summer and I think the manager or an then some some some other representatives were very frequent guests into in Latin highest division games. So you always get had that back in your mind that somebody's washing and it might be you or it might not be you. I never knew if they especially looked for for certain position on the pitch. I didn't have any information about that. I know that after we played Newcastle, I think we did quite well because we defended for ninety eight percent of the time time in those games and then obviously, as a defender you get quite a quite get plenty of things to do on the pitch and I think that game obviously showed Latin football to to in UK as well, and it might be as well extra turning point that they actually saw me as a potential defender for for for black or football club. The first time they approached me it was, I think after season, because Latin season and ends in November, and I think first time they approached me was after we finished this season with wind spills, we won the league for the first time. And then after the season they said that they are willing to give me a one in half season deal with an option for another year, which for me was was something out of, I don't know what the book about, something that I was very excited about, and I straight away said that I would look gladly take that chance, tastake and no, we see talk about the great aspiration, the great opportunity. How did you find the move? First, off the pitch, you know. Did you and take family kind of what did you think about the fly coast? Did you often kind of go back to that via ca and what was that? What was your initial reaction upon finding yourself in Blackpool? You off the pitch. So I was like like a little kid in a candy shop. I went to a game as a as a as a fan, because arrived just before the New Year's so I was not eligible to play yet. So I had a chance to watch a couple of games before actually could play, and for me it was all about the atmosphere. That was only thing that matter. I was very excited to try, try, try to succeed in in the League, League one. At the time,...

I obviously didn't have any clue what is expecting me up front, but I saw it as my chance, something that I always wanted to do. And first I came, I think for a couple of days, trained with the with the boys, went out for a Christmas party, which was a which is a quiet way, a good way to join join a new team. Then I came, came back, actually locked myself out of my house with the first move I did. I straight away put my bags in a house and said goodbyes to everyone, slammed the door and realize that I have no phone, known nothing and I didn't know anyone in Blackpool. So it took me a day to actually try to find someone who will unlock the doors for me. So the start was not as smooth as I planned. But the rest, obviously, first first year a bit of up and down because there were no international breaks in league one, so every time I went away for my national team I lost the place in starting eleven, which was quite frustrating at times. First I started to play as a left back, which was a new position for me. I probably only left back that all in league one, and the one who is not really good at crossing the ball some but I tried to do my best as I could. I was in and out of the team, but for you, for playing reasons and for reasons as that, we didn't have any international breaks and every time I went away from my national team I came back and the boys were doing so good that they didn't miss me a bit and they ended up having a great, great end of the season and we went up to championship. Great. Yeah, so you really did that to some of the challenges. I mean, I can't imagine what it must have been liked being from mabbe. I don't know how good your English was at the time. Not Coming to the pointed what pool, obviously it's not. There's some positives to do it, but it's not most affluent area. And then obviously we had the training ground, which you mustn't have seen before he signed and also too, stands as well. So is any of that shot to you? And when you came always just sort of embracing it, thinking it was better than what you obviously had previously as well. I came from latter. So for me, the the match day, when you step on the pitch and you fans and stands who are supporting your wing, you or whatever, expressing some sort of reaction or emotion, it's already that for me, was was enough. I think if I would come from from, I don't know, some big club in England, to black pool and and all those things that you mentioned, might play a role to somehow make me a bit more apprehensive. But for me, I never thought of it thought of it that way. I enjoyed every, every minute of it. And regards my English, I never, I never studied English in school. Actually studied German when I was in school. So so my own English came from my teammates in Sweden. When I played in Sweden, there were two foreigners in the team and one one was me and the other one was Canadian. So so he was the you could say, my teacher, and actually been Berg just he when I first arrived, he called for first first, first year, he called me Chad because of my American English, not English English, so obviously my English wasn't perfect. I would...

...imagine you mentioned been Burgess poking a bit of fun there, kind of where that any good friends from the team will keep people kind of in and out of the squad. He really helped. She sets will really helped you adapt the challenges. Helped you get back into your flat when you were locked out, for example. Oh No, I didn't know at that point. I didn't know anyone. I didn't didn't know anyone at that point. I did not even know how to get hold of anyone. So it took me quite to a while to actually unlock my flat. It was a good initiation and my new new team. But there are plenty of guys who helped me a lot. I am J was one of them who who took good care of me. Then obviously closest one to me was was because we live lived next to each other, so so he he was the one that I hang out the the most. But I had a young family, so that took a lot of time and but everyone from manager from Tony Parks was a big influence on me as well, just to learn how to play the English game because the League one was so physical. It was before I thought that I'm physical player, but when when you start playing against players in league one, you understand that that you realize that you're nowhere near the physicality you need. And then everyone in in a coaching stuff. Michael Jackson is a captain, was fantastic. He took the time to work a bit extra with me after trainings just to to improve my positioning, improve my heading in, improve all of the things that I was never thought, actually thought actually before. So everyone, everyone was was was great. So you didn't get many games. I get that season. Obviously did you and I started halfway through and obviously international break one of help Daithera, but you obviously weren't at first choice for the majority of the game towards that back and running as well. And then fast forward to the championship. Obviously got that opportunity to get into the side. So what was your self belief like at the time? Did you? Did you wouldn't whether you could make the step up or did you? We fully confident that if you got your chance you'd be ready and your build you would play that level quite comfortably. I didn't have any experience comparing the levels. I knew that there are some big clubs in championship, the clubs that I thought was following as a kid, and I knew a lot of about my confidence or lack of it. I think your confidence always comes from from yourself within and you always have your reasons about yourself or not. But but I think Simon Grayson was always quite honest with me, quite quite frank with me. What what are the ads reviews that I need to improve on? What are the upper attributes that I could work in my benefit? And I always felt that I need to be ready for the chance. If it comes, then I would grab it with my both hands, and I think that was more or less the Mindsett going to the championship. I didn't know what to expect. I was excited, twice as excited as I was before. And I think first game we played less the away which was a huge favorite that year, to go up and I remember the atmosphere and the stadium everything and when we were leading one mill I got my debut as well, which I was not counting on at that point of time. And Yeah, I think...

...it was the beast that day. In my life so far, I guess, or one of the few days of my life for sure. And you know, you went from maybe that you know in and outs of the squad duringly gone to be really a fan favorite and the championship you got brace feet Darby, you know, ecals and watchful games. We Mus kind of played year, awards from various kind of fan groups, associations, except you clearly engage yourself to a lot of seaside is out there. How did that support from the fans field? That was the one that that made me fall in love in with English football in general, because the the the the black wool fans were the first, first English friends that I saw and that point I thought that it's it's the best if really in the world to go out and try to show your best capabilities in front of them. And they they were unbelievable towards me, just to for someone to come and cheer you or Boo or just follow your or express your opinion. I think for me that's that that's the part of the magic and actually the magic of English football, which which, if you could bottle it and sell it, I would. I would love to take some of it here and in Latvian spread it and just to show you young kids how how football could could, could be played, played somewhere else. They were always, always behind me, maybe even in times when I didn't perform well or times where I was still adapting to English football, and know that I could count on on on the support. And they stand behind the goal where you were, where you played, and it was always unbelievable. I still remember the goals I scored in championship, where you can get the opportunity to actually go and I'm not big on so celebrating the goals or I don't have to too big of an imagination how to do it, but I think the best feeling is to actually go as close as you can. So fans and time them for for the old support they giving you in in the rest of the Games. I think, yeah, it's like that now. Definitely. Obviously now we're back. I think the fan at the atmosphere's the best it's been since those days. I don't think it. You know, there was probably a low between when you when we got to the Premier League, and just after that. Obviously before you've been there, just after you've been there. Sorry, but it's back to where it was now and I think when I remember back to those days when there was two stands and you were playing, it was a really great atmosphere and then we had two stands. Great to have it back now at that level. So one thing I want to talk about was in terms of your games for up there as well. So I know you were in the side before you signed for Black Pool, but do you think establishing yourself in the championship helped you to establish yourself on the national team? I think as we got to get to two thousand and seven, when you've done well for Black Pool, you were often done. Does the David Beckham a lack via? I believe so. Stuck. And Yeah, how did that help in the to the was it playing in England that helped them do to the Latvian support as well? It's it's played a lot. It's helped a lot. It's helped a lot in my actually, the way I played as role. It helped a lot in my confidence and I think I think it's hard to all our or were played the role of Black Pool Football Club had into my career. Doesn't matter if it's international or it's it's a moving forward and realizing one of my biggest dreams playing premier league. I think huge part of that is because these...

...one and a half seasons in black pool, and you obviously had a good season there as well. Like we said, a goals, I think you scored with any of them stand out as three moments in Tangerine and it and he goes on. Indeed, any Pacific Games? Yeah, you think back to the craziest one was, I think, Darby, Darby, a cup game against Darby. I think that was the craziest one because because, again, I played as a left back, which is not my strongest or my favorite position, and I think even if you would ask any any any any black pool fund they wouldn't be too happier of me playing left back. But that's but for me it was just opportunity to play in a cup game because I was not starting in the League at that that point. So so for me to play that game and to score go two goals. I remember my dad called me after the game and the only thing he said I are you crazy? And that's the whole conversation we had. But and after that I don't know what happened. It seemed that every ball put in on the corner was landing on my head and I even scored, I think, couple of all these, which is not something that I would normally do. So so after that it was you know, it's it's even hard to believe, going back in my thoughts that it was hard to believe that that was happening to me. I never heard scored, I think, so many goals in my previous career altogether that I scored in one season, four black bolts. So it was something special, very special and still is recently appreciated. The goals, you knowing. There's there's two girls games to be reference. You knowing what was an equalizer in normal time, equalizer and staffage time for a game related one of the penalties. Like, if I had, I hope they sently gave you the matchable after that one. Say, just kind of moving forward, you know, as well as kind of arriving at Black Pool, adapting there to kind of end of your time at that pool and the kind of process of leaving also turned out to be surprisingly contentious. You know, a release clause kind of had it that release close get added. Was that your decision, the agent's decision, or did the club even at it. I think it was a club who actually added the release clause because obviously I didn't know how well I would do in black poole or if I will do any any good. I think for club as well, it was a it was a big gamble to take a guy from Latin League, which is not the most competitive league in Europe, and try to try to try to sign a defender there. And I think it was just normal for a club to put a release lead clause on. And as well, my contract was one half season plus one year, which was clubs option to take it or not. So so that was the construct. Obviously the way the contracts are structured, that the really the release clauses not this close, disclausable or what's the term is that you can't disclose your your release close. But but it's a playing field for agents and representatives to to to try to work out not always the best deal for myself, but obviously best deal for themselves. The strange one because I remember west who hadn't had a similar deal of than. They both came in from similar situations where you will be a an unknown quantity when you sign for Black Pool, and both be very well, both in League one in the championship as well. So fast forward eighteen months and you both key parts of the team. So it is obviously a real shame when we...

...found out that not only was where's going to Nowich for cheap, cheap price, I would say, from vomitted, but then yourself as well. Yeah, a shame. It is unfortunate. Here there's a club that probably put the end as well as part of the deal that's done. It was a standard contract, I think it did. Actually, when you said about where's that? Yeah, I think I think it was a standard Contrut for everyone that the club was putting these release closes in and it was a standard procedure at that point. And it will add it to Hans. We can play new listings for well, it's that long, long list. Yeah, I would. I didn't say that you. You said that. I'd the club on talking to listen anyway. So you had a couple of options on where to go. Yeah, I'll stopped my head too. Of the research I did. It was ranges, Burnley, palace, Norwich Preston, Whi should be very contentious. And what third and did you have any talks of any other clubs or Joe Preference Among those seven about d where you really wanted to get. So that whole experience was a very hectic and interesting one for me because to go from one and a half years playing a lot of it and then go and you have these I think it was at that point eight or nine options on the on the table, and that that I could have choose, choose from, and I actually don't remember. I think they were a bit more than than then. You mentioned clubs, but that all the clubs you mentioned were very interested in but the talks went on the furthest with I was about to go to what for the I was about to leave in midseason actually, because they were interesting in interested in me in midseason, after the first half year and in championship, but it broke down for some for some reason, and then after the season they came in again and I was actually set to join either palace or watch for it, I think. And I think Blackpool themselves were keen on me moving to Watford. That was the club they they were agreed transfer fee with, but last minute came in QPR and and the reason why I went to keep Qupr it was that's good, that we mentioned my dad because because a lot of stories go back again to my dad and and why I moved to Keepr was because of my partly because of my dad as well, because for for some reason I don't know, it was his favorite team in England. I don't think that he knew anything about the team, but obviously and Soviet Union they didn't have to too many choices what kind of kind of kids to have and he always liked everyone with the striped kid because you couldn't get any any of that in Soviet units. So Kep are, because of the hoops, were the my dad's favorite, favorite team in England and that was the the bit strange one, but the only reason why I chose chose Kep are. Well, must be done. Then it started all Sago, because the black bull will totally against me moving to QPR and they said that you can do go anywhere you want except QPR, and that's the one that you can blame on. Ally stands for sure, but so so that that was the case and obviously because of that my preseason I was a bit nervous and hectic. And did you go as planned and my first first six months of Kep are because of that suffered a lot.

Right, it wasn't very strange deal because you always have this release clause, but then we ended up with Ze Raymond alone and Daniell not yellow. So I wouldn't wouldn't know what I wouldn't like to imagine the specifics around what we'd agree with, what fed and what happened to get that dail of the line with QPR. And Strange Stada, wasn't it? I think? I think so. Yeah, I don't know too much about obviously I know that. I think in then they had to pay the release close plus some extra extra fee. And then those annunzation and Daniel went when the opposite direction, I think, one of them on loan and one of them permanent. Yeah, crazy, but how did them? Was a case of then moving down to London with your family and then trying to settle in in a new area again. And how is that time of the fail as well? Yeah, it was me moving to London, obviously because of all the transfer saga. It was the first. First, I think for almost a month I had to run in parks and Shepherd's Bush or in an area because I couldn't, I was not allowed to train with with with QPR before the actual deal was settled, because I think there were some some issues there. But my family came down and after the deal was a grid between black pool and and QPR, actually could train. Unfortunately, got D injured. Threat Story after. So my preseason, I was was not not the best at that point and my first six months at Kepr ended up being a bit more similar actually to my six first months in black pool. And you know, we won't touch too much on the time at keypre because of this is a blackpool podcast. But owning, you know, really was spectacular. Was the season you won the championship, kind of as in it in the team almost ever present and you know you mentioned the beginning a point how the dream wants to play in the Premier League. You're getting provited. We keep y'all. What did I feel like? Has that rank in your career? It was. Yeah, that month, one and a half months with it was was was, you could say for my biggest high in my career when you achieve something that, I think because when I moved to keep your I remember that I put a Premier League badge on my fridge so I could every time I opened the fridge. I could. Could, could look at the badge, somehow trying to hypnotize myself, I guess, or our program me too, to this success and those years and keep you our crazy. I could. Could write a whole book about I have a history of crazy club owners. So so I could. I could, if I would have a time, I would. I could write the book about about all of them. And Yeah, those thought. Not after the third season when we went to premier league. Is it was the biggest high of my career and in a very short time it became my biggest low of my career because I realized that I would never play for keep your I was told quite early that that I would have to move on. So so it it. It's all my career has been very, how to say, vivid ups and down that way where you have this this this year, great, great success followed by a big disappointment and then then just to try to show a show my character and get out of it and then and start again. And it was the case with QPR was the biggest high and the biggest low and a very short spilt. Yeah, and and speaking about the Premier League as well, Sart unfair of me to bring you. But black pool got to the Premier League. Then they do. This is...

...before y are so what was that like watching from the outside looking in, and it must have been quite surprising for you to see that. Obviously gone to keep you out and then we end up somehow getting promoted and a lot of your form teammates made it. First of all, I was but I was hugely glad or happy with about my teammates doing that. Would I say that they would go to premier league? That's year before the season. I would say no chance. But when you go through the performances at the end of the season you realize that once you get to a playoffs and the team that has the best momentum and who has the Best Team Spirit and passion, and Black Pool with with the fans, with the players, they never like the passion and it's great to be underdog in these games and I think black pool played that role perfectly and ended up of being a great, great afternoon for all the players and all the fans and a great journey into a play premier league. Carson, I think a lot of black pool funds were watching yourself, and was whollhan as well. Obviously we got to the Premier League and we wanted you to achieve that. To him feel Farkul been another. Of course, we didn't quite make it, but it was great when you've obviously went to redding after keep your and finally did get to the Premier League and did well there as well as West did we know it. So how did it feel to finally get that and perform and a Premier League after all those years of playing in a lower leagues and wondering if it ever happened to them be on the coast, nearly making it get promoted, and then finally getting that promotion and playing there? As a kid or as a young adults, you always get through asked about your dreams. What's your spirations? Are Dreams and you want to be a doctor or you will want to, I don't know, to be astronaut, and I think it's a great privilege to actually say that you have achieved your dream, and I had the opportunity to to to realize my dream to play in premierly, and that this something that that will get me emotional every time you by I think about it, and something that actually feels very, very untrue at some points and and then you need to pinch yourself if it actually happened. And then even now, if my son son, who is fourteen now, and he comes and looked through old videos of me playing in Premier League, this is something that for me seems unrealistic. And then, just looking towards the future, then obviously greatly achieve your dream. And then you obviously had a couple more years at different clubs and retired eventually. And not let me touch on the start in terms of your Lord degree and a couple of opportunities in the Latvian and very different you know, you worked at you ain't avenue in a lot being sports. I worked, yeah, I worked in Lats in Football Federation, I worked in Lat Tun team, Sports Association and a lot of sports organizations who represent sports, and most of the time public or public sector or at municipality level. Basically, is me trying to, from one side, develop football and bring the ideas that I've seen over the years playing abroad in Latvia. And the second one is to actually take care of the sport politics, which is the the place of sports and in general general wellbeing of young adults. Are Kids and young adults in lats were, which is becoming a big topic in these conditions where we're with all the restrictions that are around a lot of kids in lat we are not able to be physically aft active every day, and I think that's that that that's who he huge danger for for futures. Flute...

...and it took a final question. So you always mentioned that black pool were quite well known in in football. Is that still the case? Obviously there a lot being links come now, fortunately, but I don't know if there's any but bull I got any. That kind of links to a lot of beer. Thought of it anyway. Or is that so data death now that Bella comes out with a picture? No, I think it has stayed, especially with people who follow football. Black Hole be always a third will bond here in Latvia, and it's first of all with Mr Bellacon, because it was a quite exciting story when he bought the club and as well for me playing there, and that is something that that that will always stay, stay there. It's a big part of Latin football history. It's I can't see being repeated in a near future when some some somebody from Latvia is a is an owner of a club in England and obviously for myself. I always, always look up the first scores I look up for this is for for my my old teams, and black wool is is one of them. And then very happy for every success they have and I know that they've been doing quite well recently, which is very exciting to see after a bit more not not so, a nice spell, so so. But part of part of me, or part of my heart is, it's a bit big to say that or a bit more cliche to say that, but part of me is definitely definitely lucky and I hope one day I will come, come visit, visit and have a have a nice, nice glass of beer and in a stadium together with the with with anyone who would drink beer with me. Definitely be more than welcome. Obviously, thanks to joining us today and thanks. Thanks you timing Tangerine as well. You you obviously gave a lot very committee on the pitch and we could tell you really brought into blackpools of town and also is a team and we obviously achieve some great things while you were there as well. So would thank you for your efforts there and obviously thanks, like I say, to do any spend any time with us today as well. It's much appreciate. No problem, guys, and it's time. And these are not wrinkles. There are scars from from me heading the ball and in various clubs and in England, and I think the first ones came in a black hole. But that's something that to be proud of. I think I can see the girls against arving that verty care. Yeah, but it was a pleasure it did. It's always actually a pleasure to walk down the memory real lane, especially, especially, especially with my time in England, and it was for me a great, great pleasure to talk to you guys and being reminded of my time in Black Pool, because this is something, like I said, if you would ask you and me when I was fourteen, fifteen years old, if I could could do that, I would say no. But this is something that someone like you need to remind me at all time. So, so, so I I have very nice and emotional evening. Remember these things really, good man. Well, yeah, you more welcome at blue film OAT. Obviously I don't speaome behalf of the club. I'm sure that I'll be back, but please do come back any more than welcome you. You can get a reception from the fans that you deserved, but chase your time and all the best of the future. Thank you. Thank you, and there are not too many things I can I can promise but that they will come to bloom for the road and watch watch some of...

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